From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QLKsh-00036x-13 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 May 2011 19:52:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B88B1C06D; Sat, 14 May 2011 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028BF1C06D for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 19:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so3480506wyi.40 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=GZATDRQ0mFJe8E/HlJWYkAfYGR5Y2piV1+SfRF11+ak=; b=S7wGk4qR/qC9Kk5yAoUlYOtZWWj6dNhoXiN8tWPnS7dvfLsmIEmkhC2skiawAiRP7T ByZBQgQdd/G/8TvsG2F3vykOiPD1QjxYj0xEYw0WR5/JRB+OLOVw+/3Xoh0OKoihY+Ph 48BVAEDgorPka9SAN/eMo74maPRnir91OdaVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=Y31tl2mzQMGE1/mf8d3l1mv2VbcAGx2QvWr0fgPPWVMgSGqLPQxXPmBDmUtqSNNuFP 81s+lX8yuNqaUKrkW0mRkJtDNbXQASal8tTLOvZnyYFw6i06TMbCdp7J0aeO2mL+mX/R hKavAmlkNiZBwtPzayH1p/NQpxsqPRdyoXdkQ= Received: by 10.216.202.147 with SMTP id d19mr2796720weo.23.1305402642224; Sat, 14 May 2011 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r29sm1758354weq.45.2011.05.14.12.50.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 14 May 2011 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:51:13 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.37-gentoo-r4; KDE/4.6.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110514190618.GA3146@gaurahari> In-Reply-To: <20110514190618.GA3146@gaurahari> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2609935.C3USlnLxkk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105142051.15905.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 9f0183243c2a34bdfb40f03973db2d39 --nextPart2609935.C3USlnLxkk Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday 14 May 2011 20:06:18 Indi wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0200, Willie Wong wrote: > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote: > > > Sounds like the old "6 of one, a half-dozen of the other" to me... > > > What makes the subtractive method better? > >=20 > > This is how I interpret Alan's message: > >=20 > > For certain flags when you enable it for a package you will have to > > also enable it for its dependencies. So you'll have to chase down the > > dependency tree if you enable a flag for a user package and several of > > the libraries it uses need the flag too, which may end up requiring > > doing several emerge --pretend cycles to sort out. > >=20 > > Whereas if you subtract functionality, you usually won't have to > > change the libraries. (The corollary being that if you are going to > > remove functionality from the libraries, you should do so by globally > > removing the use flag, rather than on the package level.) >=20 > Well perhaps it's nitpicking, but I like my systems as lean as possible. > I almost never emerge anything without -av options, just so I can say > "no" and edit package.use if need be. It rarely causes more than a few > extra seconds to be consumed, since my needs don't change terribly often. > Depends on how one uses the system, I suppose... Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE=20 upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner= ,=20 rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. =20 Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but did= n't=20 have the time to go through the lot at the time. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart2609935.C3USlnLxkk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk3O3TMACgkQVTDTR3kpaLaV5gCfZk9QlofkEh7fk1MfEkbr89qd bkIAn3eau9R5AGwXY2F7xJO/QwWecCI8 =0fXY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2609935.C3USlnLxkk--