From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QKyPj-0005vC-8l for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:52:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E0FF1C0A8; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DA11C0A8 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so2884124wwj.10 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=dqg3PhdCj9L6vLawuGR2busXKp2tPxk4PB+Vhw+ihEQ=; b=fP2xv+qnCYZrZjEKn9T3SdF+dDQ6bconbs0AwqqXrGdyUKjvnf4Ni5UrwxtbBZWK1F DNlKjOjDNY7rjIafthDiM5B5z5+veDPyxUwnz1z2U/yjTusWxMreXJj9l+7qJy9gGjb6 ZkOiY7LQZc4/B4VqKcR6znvulgZfc2FkePj0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=wAy9UwEeBNCFHxxAmKcWljvc9CRvkpxs7IpywCMargRmxQ5wRMtPMbcvdXS66Au7sX 1JrJUnRKdSlyKBrdlPK9MZevbm+jHQoT2gUUPyDYoVcYdD5y+DHhJ8kwrXUoWWsJ8G95 kyl2hbop5LPek0L+uPCU5f3yuk2sZIcp723jQ= Received: by 10.216.61.206 with SMTP id w56mr1701482wec.97.1305316208328; Fri, 13 May 2011 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o6sm398750wep.17.2011.05.13.12.50.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 May 2011 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:50:40 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.37-gentoo-r4; KDE/4.6.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110512125627.519370fb@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <20110513175747.GA4256@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20110513175747.GA4256@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5689901.sbb9IAEpmz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105132050.42182.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: abedf81b36eda66611bfd7d854062d75 --nextPart5689901.sbb9IAEpmz Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote >=20 > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > > > curve. > > > >=20 > > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the > > >=20 > > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. > > >=20 > > > IBM walked away from their market leading AT. Rather than put a 386 > > >=20 > > > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed. > > >=20 > > > Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based > > >=20 > > > Wordstar product. People were begging and pleading with them to patch > > > it to recognize subdirectories. Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar, > > > and came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called > > > Wordstar 2000. That was the end. > > >=20 > > > Do you see a pattern here? > >=20 > > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and > > implying they are the norm. > >=20 > > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from > > floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict > > where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all > > the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enoug= h. > > The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to > > innovate in case someone doesn't like it. >=20 > Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented. > Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out. If Coca Cola had brought out "New > Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem. > "New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen > so much backlash. Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging > and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s. IBM ceased > to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing. IBM is no longer a force > in the corporate desktop market. If Micropro had added directory > support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and > Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was. >=20 > Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won. > They were obviously superior. But if your new and allegedly "improved" > product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older > generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the > older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the > "new and improved" product is a piece of crap. You are confusing matters. The launch of "new & improved" product is often a matter of designed=20 obsolescence of the old product for the purpose of generating additional=20 sales. In a (pseudo)competitive capitalistic model this is what most consu= mer=20 goods have been doing, canibalising their own previous generation of produc= ts. In a FOSS model this argument does not stand or make much sense. I think t= hat=20 the KDE devs made a strategic design decision and took KDE4 in a different= =20 direction than KDE3. Some of us we happier with the KDE3 ... a selection o= f=20 apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and wha= t=20 not. What is common between your examples and KDE is (perhaps?) the lack of=20 adequate market research and testing. What-ever, life moves on of course and the wrinkles on KDE4 are being irone= d=20 out. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart5689901.sbb9IAEpmz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk3Ni5IACgkQVTDTR3kpaLbqOACghJHwdR6Xjlgk/LRSj4eAwmyO S6QAoJfrsFoijztfNn6GPU1mUBhmN/ts =DEoF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5689901.sbb9IAEpmz--