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From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:50:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201105132050.42182.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110513175747.GA4256@waltdnes.org>

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On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> 
> > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
> > > > curve.
> > > > 
> > >   Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
> > > 
> > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
> > > 
> > >   IBM walked away from their market leading AT.  Rather than put a 386
> > > 
> > > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed.
> > > 
> > >   Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based
> > > 
> > > Wordstar product.  People were begging and pleading with them to patch
> > > it to recognize subdirectories.  Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar,
> > > and came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called
> > > Wordstar 2000.  That was the end.
> > > 
> > >   Do you see a pattern here?
> > 
> > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
> > implying they are the norm.
> > 
> > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
> > floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
> > where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all
> > the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough.
> > The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to
> > innovate in case someone doesn't like it.
> 
>   Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented.
> Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out.  If Coca Cola had brought out "New
> Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem.
> "New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen
> so much backlash.  Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging
> and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s.  IBM ceased
> to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing.  IBM is no longer a force
> in the corporate desktop market.  If Micropro had added directory
> support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and
> Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was.
> 
>   Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won.
> They were obviously superior.  But if your new and allegedly "improved"
> product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
> generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
> older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
> "new and improved" product is a piece of crap.

You are confusing matters.

The launch of "new & improved" product is often a matter of designed 
obsolescence of the old product for the purpose of generating additional 
sales.  In a (pseudo)competitive capitalistic model this is what most consumer 
goods have been doing, canibalising their own previous generation of products.

In a FOSS model this argument does not stand or make much sense.  I think that 
the KDE devs made a strategic design decision and took KDE4 in a different 
direction than KDE3.  Some of us we happier with the KDE3 ... a selection of 
apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what 
not.

What is common between your examples and KDE is (perhaps?) the lack of 
adequate market research and testing.

What-ever, life moves on of course and the wrinkles on KDE4 are being ironed 
out.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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2011-05-11  1:25   ` [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone? Indi
2011-05-11  2:07     ` Jim Burwell
2011-05-11  5:38       ` justin
2011-05-11  5:47       ` Mick
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2011-05-11 14:40             ` Gregory Shearman
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2011-05-11 15:06       ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
2011-05-11 15:45         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-11 16:38           ` BRM
2011-05-12  0:40           ` Walter Dnes
2011-05-12 11:13             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 11:56             ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-12 12:54               ` Dale
2011-05-12 13:25                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 13:46                   ` Dale
2011-05-12 14:18                     ` JDM
2011-05-12 14:21                     ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-12 14:38                       ` Dale
2011-05-12 21:17                         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 21:44                           ` Dale
2011-05-13  5:30                             ` pk
2011-05-13  8:33                             ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-13 14:19                               ` BRM
2011-05-14  7:39                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-17 11:55                                   ` BRM
2011-05-13  8:16                         ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-16 10:59                           ` Tanstaafl
2011-05-12 15:21                   ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12 14:19                 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-13 17:57               ` Walter Dnes
2011-05-13 19:50                 ` Mick [this message]
2011-05-13 20:08                   ` Sebastian Beßler
2011-05-13 22:29                 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-12 20:03       ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
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2011-05-12 22:46       ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
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2011-05-11 16:34       ` Indi
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2011-05-12 12:31           ` Indi
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2011-05-12 14:00                 ` Indi
2011-05-12 14:23                   ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 14:33                   ` Dale
2011-05-12 22:19                   ` walt
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2011-05-12 14:51               ` Indi
2011-05-13  8:36                 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-12 22:44       ` Indi
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2011-05-12 21:19       ` Indi
2011-05-12 21:37         ` Alan McKinnon
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2011-05-12 15:06       ` Indi
2011-05-12 15:15         ` Dale
2011-05-12 20:55         ` Alan McKinnon
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2011-05-12 22:52       ` Indi
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2011-05-13 10:41           ` Indi
2011-05-13 11:33             ` Dale
2011-05-10 21:55 [gentoo-user] " Dale
2011-05-10 22:41 ` Alex Schuster
2011-05-10 23:10   ` Dale
2011-05-10 23:38     ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-10 23:50       ` Dale
2011-05-11 11:23         ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 12:16           ` Marius Vaitiekunas
2011-05-11 12:33             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 14:00               ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-11 16:37               ` William Hubbs
2011-05-11 12:33             ` Dale
2011-05-11 12:53               ` Marius Vaitiekunas
2011-05-11 13:22               ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 13:40                 ` Dale
2011-05-11 14:45                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 15:42                     ` Dale
2011-05-11 15:53                       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 16:02                         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 16:54                           ` Dale
2011-05-11 21:02                             ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-11 22:51                               ` Dale
2011-05-12  2:50                                 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12  9:21                                   ` Dale
2011-05-12 12:00                                     ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12 12:58                                       ` Dale
2011-05-11 21:14                           ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-11 23:31                             ` Peter Humphrey
2011-05-12  2:53                               ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12 17:06                               ` Stroller
2011-05-12 17:20                                 ` Dale
2011-05-12 20:24                                   ` Mick
2011-05-12 21:42                                   ` Stroller
2011-05-12 22:57                                     ` Dale
2011-05-13 12:40                                       ` Stroller
2011-05-13 13:26                                         ` Dale
2011-05-13 19:27                                           ` Mick
2011-05-13 22:56                                             ` William Hubbs
2011-05-14 15:55                                             ` Stroller
2011-05-12 19:41                                 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-05-12 21:48                                   ` Stroller
2011-05-13 19:32                                     ` Mick
2011-05-14 16:01                                       ` Stroller
2011-05-12 20:16                               ` che
2011-05-11 14:52                   ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-11 13:22             ` Philip Webb
2011-05-11 13:45           ` Dale
2011-05-11 14:43             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12  8:33               ` Mick
2011-05-11  6:42 ` [gentoo-user] " Philip Webb
2011-05-11  6:55   ` Dale
2011-05-11  9:29     ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-11  9:55       ` Dale
2011-05-11 10:10         ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-11 21:32           ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2011-05-12  4:21             ` James Wall
2011-05-12  9:24               ` Dale

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