From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:50:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201105132050.42182.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110513175747.GA4256@waltdnes.org>
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On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
>
> > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
> > > > curve.
> > > >
> > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
> > >
> > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
> > >
> > > IBM walked away from their market leading AT. Rather than put a 386
> > >
> > > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed.
> > >
> > > Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based
> > >
> > > Wordstar product. People were begging and pleading with them to patch
> > > it to recognize subdirectories. Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar,
> > > and came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called
> > > Wordstar 2000. That was the end.
> > >
> > > Do you see a pattern here?
> >
> > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
> > implying they are the norm.
> >
> > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
> > floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
> > where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all
> > the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough.
> > The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to
> > innovate in case someone doesn't like it.
>
> Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented.
> Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out. If Coca Cola had brought out "New
> Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem.
> "New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen
> so much backlash. Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging
> and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s. IBM ceased
> to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing. IBM is no longer a force
> in the corporate desktop market. If Micropro had added directory
> support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and
> Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was.
>
> Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won.
> They were obviously superior. But if your new and allegedly "improved"
> product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
> generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
> older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
> "new and improved" product is a piece of crap.
You are confusing matters.
The launch of "new & improved" product is often a matter of designed
obsolescence of the old product for the purpose of generating additional
sales. In a (pseudo)competitive capitalistic model this is what most consumer
goods have been doing, canibalising their own previous generation of products.
In a FOSS model this argument does not stand or make much sense. I think that
the KDE devs made a strategic design decision and took KDE4 in a different
direction than KDE3. Some of us we happier with the KDE3 ... a selection of
apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what
not.
What is common between your examples and KDE is (perhaps?) the lack of
adequate market research and testing.
What-ever, life moves on of course and the wrinkles on KDE4 are being ironed
out.
--
Regards,
Mick
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2011-05-11 1:25 ` [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone? Indi
2011-05-11 2:07 ` Jim Burwell
2011-05-11 5:38 ` justin
2011-05-11 5:47 ` Mick
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2011-05-11 14:40 ` Gregory Shearman
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2011-05-11 15:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
2011-05-11 15:45 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-11 16:38 ` BRM
2011-05-12 0:40 ` Walter Dnes
2011-05-12 11:13 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 11:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-12 12:54 ` Dale
2011-05-12 13:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 13:46 ` Dale
2011-05-12 14:18 ` JDM
2011-05-12 14:21 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-12 14:38 ` Dale
2011-05-12 21:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-05-12 21:44 ` Dale
2011-05-13 5:30 ` pk
2011-05-13 8:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-13 14:19 ` BRM
2011-05-14 7:39 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-13 8:16 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-16 10:59 ` Tanstaafl
2011-05-12 15:21 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12 14:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-13 17:57 ` Walter Dnes
2011-05-13 19:50 ` Mick [this message]
2011-05-13 20:08 ` Sebastian Beßler
2011-05-13 22:29 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-12 20:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
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2011-05-12 22:46 ` [gentoo-user] " Indi
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2011-05-11 16:34 ` Indi
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2011-05-12 14:00 ` Indi
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2011-05-12 14:51 ` Indi
2011-05-13 8:36 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-13 10:41 ` Indi
2011-05-13 11:33 ` Dale
2011-05-10 21:55 [gentoo-user] " Dale
2011-05-10 22:41 ` Alex Schuster
2011-05-10 23:10 ` Dale
2011-05-10 23:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-05-10 23:50 ` Dale
2011-05-11 11:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 12:16 ` Marius Vaitiekunas
2011-05-11 12:33 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 14:00 ` Neil Bothwick
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2011-05-11 13:22 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 13:40 ` Dale
2011-05-11 14:45 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 15:42 ` Dale
2011-05-11 15:53 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 16:02 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2011-05-11 16:54 ` Dale
2011-05-11 21:02 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-11 22:51 ` Dale
2011-05-12 2:50 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-05-12 9:21 ` Dale
2011-05-12 12:00 ` Mike Edenfield
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2011-05-12 21:48 ` Stroller
2011-05-13 19:32 ` Mick
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2011-05-12 20:16 ` che
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2011-05-11 13:22 ` Philip Webb
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