From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QKpqT-0003IR-0b for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 10:43:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 732061C014; Fri, 13 May 2011 10:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f53.google.com (mail-yi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE271C014 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 10:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yia25 with SMTP id 25so975423yia.40 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 03:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=fzs4ScI2qXGro/ulpZMOxEDR/rnnYN9rKj+jXJ5LUpg=; b=nWSqwb8Utpu4ZU1DVWkmuWj3cojA6K7koxdCtOrwv6b18j9If76teb9UT+hGEa/NkG lA7MJQ2h/7Z9jUba7xaIEAY4Xprq9mDTix4NzE+8qXoEeMA9bR9hQG9Qk1O9dm0ZH9me TW1p630TqGJKCgl53458th92YgazcNTUMwRKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ZstJE8dcluxzLIdtr0n7Klrm+X6NAN4Z+wQ9m/Z0LlBwDbQ1joTl4mzjwOqFZdu723 magJeGsR78/AO0X6iGLP++WbbK82kzCn8995DegVsmXec8FZ9J5mh152Be0AEwKWv+ou XtPTX6JzyTHY22XCWcR1rgjkRBiglzNCDV0fA= Received: by 10.91.8.3 with SMTP id l3mr1249462agi.2.1305283325659; Fri, 13 May 2011 03:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaurahari (adsl-72-152-84-26.asm.bellsouth.net [72.152.84.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm1541089ann.50.2011.05.13.03.42.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 May 2011 03:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:41:56 -0400 From: Indi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Message-ID: <20110513104156.GA28627@gaurahari> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: a5f2218dc7fe468ed36c64297ba25e36 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:50:03AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote: >=20 > > > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Di= d > > > the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it > > > remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working? >=20 > > That argument is probably valid when limiting the scope of the > > discussion to gentoo, but the only use I ever had for kde3 was=20 > > for non-techie users who wouldn't know whether to poop or go=20 > > blind if they click on something and nothing happens >=20 > So install a distro that still supports KDE3 if that's what you want or > need. KDE 3.5.10 is still there, it hasn't been withdrawn from the > shelves. You're hardly likely to use Gentoo for such users, so lack of > core support for 3.5 in Gentoo is not an issue either. >=20 I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my=20 experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence=20 of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that. Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact=20 a year and a half later. The options were rather different=20 while it was actually going on, and all one has to do is STFW=20 to see that many people went through much distress over it. Frankly, I am not a fan of the "shoot the messenger" approach to dealing with bad news, especially as I really don't feel=20 I've said anything but the truth of my own experience. OK I'm=20 opinionated, but that opinion is backed by experience - that=20 makes it "anecdotal experience", something big corporations spend big money to compile so they can tune and shape their ideas. The message=20 I'm getting is kde guys do not want any anecdotal experience unless=20 it is glowing praise or perhaps minor suggestions, so I will not speak on it anymore.=20 Employing all that sort of rhetoric has the effect of making=20 discussion uncomfortable and restrictive, which I suppose is=20 the idea. Personally, I do not wish to say any more on the matter,=20 except to note that the sort of response I've encountered does=20 not inspire hope for the future of kde. :( And with that, I am "out" on this subject, so if someone now=20 needs to shame me and put me in my place again that's fine,=20 and I will not respond so you'll have the last word. Just=20 know that I do not subscribe to all that shame-based grandstanding=20 silliness, so it's pretty much wasted on me.=20 No hard feelings, I understand we all have our burdens in life.=20 :) --=20 caveat utilitor=20 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB=20