From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QKXG9-00068z-Ub for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 May 2011 14:53:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 715091C04B; Thu, 12 May 2011 14:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f53.google.com (mail-gw0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431511C04B for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 14:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so715377gwj.40 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=XC9Lfz8Bowhx+HH7puRhp/CHldhLbQQOwbfvSB4Ru/0=; b=RGkbIdIuYvZEqd+tksNe6F4xMQg853zYxK6zw0U/5XWcepPjF1dFkM7E/Vrd612Yna YXLL2g0UMtE+PScL3W8arPjeFJpUEy9TcohHNEI5DJTSqnaZPw/oayot8zq7Owim6P63 MgSh1E/svE0TEnLGFk4MMbErb2stzD/pIz02Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ZMMSXrZp6OaB+wS9STxY734YL4jIH3SI7YPrimPjkjKieuKvwvOB5Q6I5fpW1euDfN 4kT+N0JUoKIP6ENbYnIC0RYZuLKvR4mzhy+ZrDOGQqudoi56z1XRI4wFwqe3cQBIBcnY 2Vf2lDeuarlCXM3e1f74PjXmoG9PpiIgQELwM= Received: by 10.150.114.17 with SMTP id m17mr376275ybc.315.1305211897648; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaurahari (adsl-72-152-84-26.asm.bellsouth.net [72.152.84.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w15sm2568590ybe.0.2011.05.12.07.51.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 May 2011 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400 From: Indi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Message-ID: <20110512145132.GA32007@gaurahari> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 2e13f1a1f58fbc6d2e9aac764249a636 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote: >=20 > > I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3=20 > > support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be=20 > > repeated. >=20 > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did th= e > KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it remotely > (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working? > That argument is probably valid when limiting the scope of the discussion to gentoo, but the only use I ever had for kde3 was=20 for non-techie users who wouldn't know whether to poop or go=20 blind if they click on something and nothing happens (or the worng=20 thing happens). I had all but two on openSuse and the rest on Kubuntu=20 in the kde3 days, but kde3 is nowhere near as idiot-proof now on=20 either of those distros. I do not want to support non-techie users using=20 obscure, deprecated, unmaintained code for something as critical as their DE! It's hard enough when everything works as advertised...=20 To be honest, I haven't quite worked up the courage to=20 put any users on gentoo, though it's become the only distro I feel=20 really good about using. If we had more uniform hardware it would=20 be a lot less daunting and I'd have probably done it already, but=20 the idea of having to manage so many individual builds is just=20 highly suboptimal. > I'd say that you got excellent value for money, and a lot more support > for an EOL product than you paid for. Yes, it would have been nice if t= hey > had waited until KDE4 was a little more polished before EOLing KDE3, bu= t > who would have paid for two dev teams? >=20 Yes, but you should have heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the non-tech users, it was like being surrounded by 8000 drunken harpies and it lasted almost three months til they finally resigned themselves to xfce. I will not go through that again. --=20 caveat utilitor=20 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB=20