From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QKV4j-000543-BA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 May 2011 12:33:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFB131C06C; Thu, 12 May 2011 12:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f53.google.com (mail-gw0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4EC1C06C for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 12:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so649611gwj.40 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=cZSmR9PE8MWXfgUy/g6OYFgSDYUtPlP4sy3/tDuIAgQ=; b=FeGIygfXOD7dFgmaENueezkVdprbkM5IU6N+4x2Jk5ch8jKKVbcgZ4ENPAIptBYtnR 6KI5JUAZ7OCuV9VoJ9thTCzuy4wbxtCM0GchdJKYLFizxzF9HIakVmeaWTzzIKexO7HR Fw0k0CAYnxNFclIqgopy/9sAyzdQm1zOorJzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=hz3W5bNN1XT2rvI1+6X0pTx1W8xWLwWBBxtRYWpi8wXF+IwxSByMwbccz8U+oUg7Rz OSLpuxnZTxzystaUfcrENRcUW1ueWG/11z0ROfQAhjbU1D44FT8MiN9zo3/10Aiih6Z/ oDN8TdFD/ZR+2R5y63DeHflAK2/5K1T8OClrQ= Received: by 10.236.153.103 with SMTP id e67mr95298yhk.372.1305203477135; Thu, 12 May 2011 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaurahari (adsl-72-152-84-26.asm.bellsouth.net [72.152.84.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f73sm552386yhc.41.2011.05.12.05.31.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 May 2011 05:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:31:11 -0400 From: Indi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Message-ID: <20110512123110.GA18280@gaurahari> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 1b1b0cd3f55199b12e5322c6e4b7d594 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:00:01PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >=20 > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > > curve. =20 > >=20 > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. > > 8<----8<----some snippage---->8---->8 >=20 > The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortuna= te > that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even > longer if they had not tried. >=20 Just to clarify: I applaud the attempt, even if I find the current results questionable. The thing about KDE is it used to be instrumental for me in converting=20 non-geek windows users to Linux. It was excellent for that. The new one really requires users who not only know what they're doing,=20 but also have the inclination to fiddle and and tune all the time. Hopefully, this phase of it's development will soon draw to a conclusion=20 and we'll once more be able to put non-tech users on kde without drama. But I apologise for opening that can of worms in the first place, it was=20 probably not apropriate here. --=20 caveat utilitor=20 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB=20