From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6gp9-0005Vu-Cs for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:15:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DBD1E0026; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE221E0026 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.146] (helo=smtp15.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6gnY-0001je-Bw for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:14:16 +0200 Received: from 5353c7ed.cm-6-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.83.199.237] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp15.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6gnR-0000Fy-Kk for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:14:09 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B22241E for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:15:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R7kY1nObZTxQ for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:15:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shell.localnet (shell.antarean.org [10.20.13.8]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C41085 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:15:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: OT: Computers-memory-lane.... [Was: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?] Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:15:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34-xen-r4_shell; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201104041135.40126.joost@antarean.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201104041215.43821.joost@antarean.org> X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Q6gnR-0000Fy-Kk X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.928, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.01) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d93cf35a9b2bdea7d466a3eb8a29b30c On Monday 04 April 2011 11:49:02 Pandu Poluan wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:35, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Monday 04 April 2011 11:13:58 Pandu Poluan wrote: > >> When its floppy drive (5.25") gave up the ghost, I got another > >> hand-down; a PC-XT compatible no-name with a huge (at that time) 20 MB > >> hard disk. > > > > 2nd one we had was a 386sx-16mhz with 2 mb ram and 40mb harddrive. > > I did try to install linux on that once, but the network-install took > > forever. The NIC could do 10mbit half-duples (coax), but effective speed > > was less. Symptoms: > > download 1KB at full speed > > card crashed > > driver resets after 5 minutes > > ... repeat... > > Okay, I have to be honest: I LOL-ed at that... xD I do as well, now... At the time, I was rather annoyed as I, at the time, made a really good effort finding a decent network card (so I thought) and had to drag that thing into uni by public transport during rush hour... > >> Again, it died after serving me & my brother for a couple of years, > >> and we got a "PC Brand 486 SLC" desktop. And there I dabbled in Pascal > >> and ASM, making replacement drivers for MS-DOS :-P ... I still > >> remember tuning QEMM386.sys trying to eke the last bytes of Low > >> Memory... > > > > What's the most low-memory you could get it and still use it? > > I managed to get low memory to around 634KB (If I remember correctly) > > using the memory-tools that came with Norton Utilities at the time. > > I don't really recall... but around the same number, I guess. > 630-something. > > Actually, I once managed to get 639KB, but lots of apps became > unstable, so I went slightly more conservative :-) I spent all that effort just to be able to play the occasional game. Most of my programming was, at the time, still done on the Atari. I did use them side-by- side for a while. > >> Afterwards, I started university, and its a blur of PC clones (and > >> Windows 9x)... and I shifted mental-gears to become a network engineer > > > > When did you switch to Linux? > > > > I switched when MS Windows 95 crashed once too many and decided to delete > > some files along with it. I didn't bother fixing that installation and > > eventually reclaimed the diskspace and removed it from /etc/lilo.conf. > > Too many apps* I use day-by-day have only Windows version, so I never > did switch to Linux :-( There are plenty of games also available for Linux. When I started with Linux, one of the popular ones was "xtris". For the people who don't know it, it's a networked version of tetris where, when one player clears a line, or multiple lines, an equivalent number of junk-lines would appear at the bottom of a random different player. In the end there were 2 versions in use. One was binary-only with an ID-code only allowing connections from other binary-only clients. The other one was more open. The reason for the binary-only was due to some complaints about "cheating" where people added additional keys to do all kinds of different things like: - bounce junk to next player - ignore junk-message - send junk to others - select next piece to be available These, however, were all modified by the actual player. For more "modern" games, there are plenty that run natively on Linux. Either ported/created by the original developers or ported by a third party. > First time I ever deployed Linux for day-to-day work was when I > started an IT Training company with my former professor. We installed > Fedora Core but replaced the UI with xfce. > > However, not until Ubuntu Hardy did I finally got serious about > migrating to Linux. Currently am still migrating the non-legacy > servers to Linux from Windows Good luck with that. I know about the difficulty with that if some apps use ms- windows specific "tricks" > * please consider "games" as "apps" :-P Games are applications, yes... Just a very specific type. -- Joost