From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6fhX-00021W-G6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:04:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1342E1C01E; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.167]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08C41C015 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.133] (helo=smtp2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6fgD-0000dg-B7 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:02:37 +0200 Received: from 5353c7ed.cm-6-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.83.199.237] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6fgB-00048W-Gw for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:02:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD832241E for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:04:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cCaeoyPrTz-T for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:04:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shell.localnet (shell.antarean.org [10.20.13.8]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0721F1085 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:04:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go? Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:04:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34-xen-r4_shell; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110403104724.6e6894fb@digimed.co.uk> <20110403101309.31631c17@acme7.acmenet> In-Reply-To: <20110403101309.31631c17@acme7.acmenet> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201104041104.09393.joost@antarean.org> X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Q6fgB-00048W-Gw X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=0.971, vereist 5, BAYES_40 -0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.01) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 25ce60adec612ed0a3dc451f1395132c On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:13:09 luis jure wrote: > on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: > >It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage > >might be a little too challenging. > > 3.5? wow, i always thought that the name meant it had 20K... like the C64 > and C128. but no. now, almost 30 years later, i learn that it had 5K, 1.5 > of them used by the system (you wouldn't want to leave the system without > ram, would you?) > > i never had a vic-20 (my first computer was the atari st-1040 in 1988), > but a friend of mine had one in the early 80's and i always wondered at > all the things you could do with the thing. i couldn't program, so i used > to sit next by him telling him my ideas for a program for algorithmic > composition, that he tried to code. Nice, a walk down memory lane :) The first computer we had at home (apart from an IBM my dad borrowed a few times) was an Atari 1040 ST. We got it in 1986 and I can't even remember all the things I did with it. It came with a copy of GFA Basic. This was a bit like C or Pascal, but then with Basic commands. No line numbers, a decent editor and a compiler and linker. I could mix machine-code, basic-code and C-code into a final program to get a faster result. The machine still worked last time I tried it and is currently still stored at my parents with strict instructions not to throw it away :) -- Joost