Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, Peter Humphries wrote:
> On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>
>> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
>> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.
>
> Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?
>

Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
being terribly difficult to parse.
Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
not every kmail user has the problem. 
It's also possible the nix-to-news gateway handles html poorly.
Obviously, slrn is not supposed to handle html (which is how I like 
it). Overall the usenet experience of this list is poor, but of course 
the content is extremely useful. I just don't want all the email, because 
it'll end up on my phone and it'll cost me.

Probably in the end I'll just end up reading it in a web browser. 
Lowest Common Denominator these days I guess...
**sigh**

-- 
...she kept arranging and rearranging the rabbit and kind of waving to it. I decided, "this is the person I want to sit next to".

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe
<elaine@southernstarsolutions.com> wrote:
> In linux.gentoo.user, Peter Humphries wrote:
>> On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>
>>> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
>>> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.
>>
>> Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?
>>
>
> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?

The ==20 stuff is a result of quoted-printable MIME encoding. It does
not have anything to do with HTML but they can usually be found as
partners in crime...

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
> being terribly difficult to parse.
> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
> not every kmail user has the problem. 

That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
KMail.

The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
gateway is screwing it up.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WinErr 01C: Uncertainty error - Uncertainty may be inadequate.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Updating world

[Nuno J. Silva]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
>> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
>> being terribly difficult to parse.
>> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
>> not every kmail user has the problem. 
>
> That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
> KMail.
>
> The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
> your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
> gateway is screwing it up.

I'd say something is screwing it up. Unless someone typoed here, the =20
is shown as ==20.

-- 
Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:19:51 +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

> > The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning
> > either your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the
> > mail-to-news gateway is screwing it up.  
> 
> I'd say something is screwing it up. Unless someone typoed here, the =20
> is shown as ==20.

In the message I quoted, it said ==20, my reply contained =20. Both
showed correctly here.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Fine day for a good workout. Steal something heavy.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Mike Edenfield]

On 3/28/2011 6:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
> 
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
>> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
>> being terribly difficult to parse.
>> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
>> not every kmail user has the problem. 
> 
> That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
> KMail.
> 
> The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
> your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
> gateway is screwing it up.

It's not KMail, it's your OpenPGP signature. Attaching the signature
switches your mail from text/plain to multipart/signed, and the mail
client switches to quoted-printable for the text part of the message.

However, there does seem to be some kind of problem with the
mail-to-news gateway. The quoted-printable "soft-return" sequence is
=20, but it's being turned into "==20" somewhere along the way. slrn
*does* support quoted-printable messages, if they were well-formed
quoted printable :)

For reference, this is what your mail looks like coming over SMTP; note
the lack of "==20" anywhere:

--Sig_/TRElrs3oa099GBUkPVLmB/I
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "=3D=3D20", but usually just one or
> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of=20
> being terribly difficult to parse.
> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but=20
> not every kmail user has the problem.=20

That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
KMail.

The =3D20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
gateway is screwing it up.


--=20
Neil Bothwick