Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, Peter Humphries wrote:
> On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>
>> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
>> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.
>
> Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?
>

Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
being terribly difficult to parse.
Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
not every kmail user has the problem. 
It's also possible the nix-to-news gateway handles html poorly.
Obviously, slrn is not supposed to handle html (which is how I like 
it). Overall the usenet experience of this list is poor, but of course 
the content is extremely useful. I just don't want all the email, because 
it'll end up on my phone and it'll cost me.

Probably in the end I'll just end up reading it in a web browser. 
Lowest Common Denominator these days I guess...
**sigh**

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe
<elaine@southernstarsolutions.com> wrote:
> In linux.gentoo.user, Peter Humphries wrote:
>> On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>
>>> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
>>> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.
>>
>> Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?
>>
>
> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?

The ==20 stuff is a result of quoted-printable MIME encoding. It does
not have anything to do with HTML but they can usually be found as
partners in crime...

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
> being terribly difficult to parse.
> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
> not every kmail user has the problem. 

That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
KMail.

The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
gateway is screwing it up.


-- 
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WinErr 01C: Uncertainty error - Uncertainty may be inadequate.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Updating world

[Nuno J. Silva]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
>> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
>> being terribly difficult to parse.
>> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
>> not every kmail user has the problem. 
>
> That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
> KMail.
>
> The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
> your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
> gateway is screwing it up.

I'd say something is screwing it up. Unless someone typoed here, the =20
is shown as ==20.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:19:51 +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

> > The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning
> > either your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the
> > mail-to-news gateway is screwing it up.  
> 
> I'd say something is screwing it up. Unless someone typoed here, the =20
> is shown as ==20.

In the message I quoted, it said ==20, my reply contained =20. Both
showed correctly here.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Mike Edenfield]

On 3/28/2011 6:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
> 
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "==20", but usually just one or
>> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of 
>> being terribly difficult to parse.
>> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but 
>> not every kmail user has the problem. 
> 
> That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
> KMail.
> 
> The =20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
> your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
> gateway is screwing it up.

It's not KMail, it's your OpenPGP signature. Attaching the signature
switches your mail from text/plain to multipart/signed, and the mail
client switches to quoted-printable for the text part of the message.

However, there does seem to be some kind of problem with the
mail-to-news gateway. The quoted-printable "soft-return" sequence is
=20, but it's being turned into "==20" somewhere along the way. slrn
*does* support quoted-printable messages, if they were well-formed
quoted printable :)

For reference, this is what your mail looks like coming over SMTP; note
the lack of "==20" anywhere:

--Sig_/TRElrs3oa099GBUkPVLmB/I
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "=3D=3D20", but usually just one or
> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of=20
> being terribly difficult to parse.
> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but=20
> not every kmail user has the problem.=20

That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
KMail.

The =3D20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
gateway is screwing it up.


--=20
Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe
><elaine@southernstarsolutions.com> wrote:
>> In linux.gentoo.user, Peter Humphries wrote:
>>> On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>>
>>>> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
>>>> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.
>>>
>>> Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?
>>>
>>
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>
> The ==20 stuff is a result of quoted-printable MIME encoding. It does
> not have anything to do with HTML but they can usually be found as
> partners in crime...

Thanks for the info.
Oddly, it's mostly non-geeky folks like my Mom who send me confusing 
mails with weird encoding issues or html with inscrutable characters.
Surprised to see it here, usenet being a text medium and all. But 
perhaps there are a lot of members who don't know, use, or care about
nntp. And maybe the gateway is merely semi-adequate at stripping non-
text.

Well, it's just one of those things we have to live with, I guess, 
like my mother's emails with links to scam sites and explaining again
and again how to use google. Such a burden, being exceptionally
competent, isn't it?
:)

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 28 March 2011 20:25:41 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> Such a burden, being exceptionally competent, isn't it?

If you say so...   :-)

-- 
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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> --Sig_/TRElrs3oa099GBUkPVLmB/I
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:11:55 -0400, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>
>> Apparently not everyone who uses kmail has the problem.
>> Maybe it's the people who use html mail?
>> Neil Bothwick's posts often have the "=3D=3D20", but usually just one or
>> two. Some posts are positively riddled with them, to the point of=20
>> being terribly difficult to parse.
>> Everytime I look at the headers of such a post it says kmail, but=20
>> not every kmail user has the problem.=20
>
> That's intriguing, considering it's been many years since I used
> KMail.
>
> The =3D20 is usually caused by a quoted-printable message, meaning either
> your newsreader cannot handle quoted-printable or the mail-to-news
> gateway is screwing it up.
>
>
> --=20
> Neil Bothwick
>
> WinErr 01C: Uncertainty error - Uncertainty may be inadequate.
>
> --Sig_/TRElrs3oa099GBUkPVLmB/I
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>
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>
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I see you're using claws, sorry -- guess I misremembered.
You can see an "=20" though in the quote, there at your
sig delimiter? It appears to replace the trailing space,
so that your sig is not delimited and shows in the quote.
 
Anyway, apologies to the kmail users.
Probably the mail2news is the culprit, as I've used slrn for usenet
for years and have it working extremely well on every other group.
Later I'll try setting up mutt for nntp just for this one group, as
it can pipe through lynx. Maybe that'll be easier to read.

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I decided, "this is the person I want to sit next to".

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> --20cf3054aa33c36405049f87abd7
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 28 March 2011 10:11, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday 28 March 2011 09:43:47 JM wrote:
>> > to-posting?
>>
>> Neil meant to say "top-posting":
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>>
>> (there are many links if you google about netiquette and usenet etiquette).
>>
>> BTW, some typos like Neil's are allowed to keep the rest of us on our toes.
>> ;-)
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mick
>>
>
> lol - I'll ask google to alter gmail for me :)
>

It hardly matters I'm sure, since those of us who read this list on 
usenet with slrn can easily see the incompetent mess kmail makes of mail. 
Yet it's what most here seem to prefer for some weird reason. 

But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the 
"==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.

:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 28 March 2011 18:27:03 Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:

> But yes, top posting does suck -- almost as badly as all the
> "==20" crap polluting all the kmail users' messages. Almost.

Would you mind sending me an example of this from me and my kmail?

-- 
Rgds
Peter

[gentoo-user] Updating world

[CJoeB]

Hi All,

See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the 
issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages 
about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this 
goes on continuously.

If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second 
set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance, 
there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.

I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep 
hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.

Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?

penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]" 
have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your 
request:
- kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
- kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
- kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)

(dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "@selected")
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
!!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
!!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:

   (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
   (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
   (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)

[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
[ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
[ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
v

Regards,

Colleen



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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Roman Zilka]

According to my local portage mirror, kipi-plugins-1.9.0 is currently
~x86. There's probably a stray line in
your /etc/portage/package.keywords which unmasks kipi-plugins-1.9.0.
The latest stable is kipi-plugins-1.2.0-r3 which is happy with
libkexiv2-4.4.5-r1, which in turn is stable for x86.

-rz


> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the 
> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages 
> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this 
> goes on continuously.
> 
> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second 
> set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance, 
> there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
> 
> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep 
> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
> 
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]" 
> have been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your 
> request:
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> 
> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@selected")
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
> 
>    (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>    (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>    (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> 
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]

Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[CJoeB]

On 03/27/11 19:21, Roman Zilka wrote:
> According to my local portage mirror, kipi-plugins-1.9.0 is currently
> ~x86. There's probably a stray line in
> your /etc/portage/package.keywords which unmasks kipi-plugins-1.9.0.
> The latest stable is kipi-plugins-1.2.0-r3 which is happy with
> libkexiv2-4.4.5-r1, which in turn is stable for x86.

That *was* the case, but I commented the line out and it still didn't 
solve the problem
> -rz
>
>
>> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
>> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
>> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this
>> goes on continuously.
>>
>> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second
>> set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance,
>> there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
>>
>> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep
>> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
>>
>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>
>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]"
>> have been masked.
>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>> request:
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>>
>> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "@selected")
>> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
>> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
>> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
>> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
>>
>>     (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>     (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>     (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
>> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[JM]

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You can allow it to install the masked packages by typing:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge --update --deep world (you can also use
--keep-going, instead of --skip-first and it will try and continue when it
finds errors).

Actually, you can only use ~x86 if you are using an i686 or whatever (no
good for amd or other arch's).

Some correct me if I'm wrong, or have I misunderstood the problem?

On 27 March 2011 19:50, CJoeB <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this goes
> on continuously.
>
> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second set
> of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance, there
> are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
>
> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep
> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
>
> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
>
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]" have
> been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>
> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@selected")
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
>
>  (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>  (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>  (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
> v
>
> Regards,
>
> Colleen
>
>
>
> --
>
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> http://counter.li.org
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:25:18 +0100, JM wrote:

> You can allow it to install the masked packages by typing:
> 
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge --update --deep world

That will update every package to the latest ~x86 version, and cause them
all to downgrade again the next time you emerge world. As this includes
packages that are both critical and hate being downgraded, like glibc,
this is a really bad idea.

You would have to really hate someone to want to put them through this.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[CJoeB]

On 03/27/11 21:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:25:18 +0100, JM wrote:
>
>> You can allow it to install the masked packages by typing:
>>
>> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge --update --deep world
> That will update every package to the latest ~x86 version, and cause them
> all to downgrade again the next time you emerge world. As this includes
> packages that are both critical and hate being downgraded, like glibc,
> this is a really bad idea.
>
> You would have to really hate someone to want to put them through this.

Okay, I see your point.  I don't make a habit of unmasking packages.  
However, as stated in my previous message, I can't get past the kde ~x86 
updates to update other packages that might have valid stable updates.  
I don't care if kde updates to an unstable version, I would just like to 
get past it so I can see what else needs to be updated.

Regards,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:09:15 +0000, CJoeB wrote:

> >> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge --update --deep world  
> > That will update every package to the latest ~x86 version, and cause
> > them all to downgrade again the next time you emerge world. As this
> > includes packages that are both critical and hate being downgraded,
> > like glibc, this is a really bad idea.
> >
> > You would have to really hate someone to want to put them through
> > this.  
> 
> Okay, I see your point.  I don't make a habit of unmasking packages.  
> However, as stated in my previous message, I can't get past the kde
> ~x86 updates to update other packages that might have valid stable
> updates. I don't care if kde updates to an unstable version, I would
> just like to get past it so I can see what else needs to be updated.
> 

The command suggested would only switch KDE to testing, it would switch
your whole system, a step that is extremely difficult to reverse without
reinstallation.

If you can't find a culprit in /etc/portage, as already suggested, try
renaming that directory and running .emerge -puDN world to see if it still
happens. Stable packages shouldn't depend on testing packages so either
you have a setting in /etc/portage that is causing this or a buggy ebuild.

Another possibility is that this is caused by something in an overlay,
which you can quickly test by commenting out any OVERLAY or layman
entries in make.conf.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[JM]

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You're right - could the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS be only used for the troublesome
packages?

On 27 March 2011 22:54, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:25:18 +0100, JM wrote:
>
> > You can allow it to install the masked packages by typing:
> >
> > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge --update --deep world
>
> That will update every package to the latest ~x86 version, and cause them
> all to downgrade again the next time you emerge world. As this includes
> packages that are both critical and hate being downgraded, like glibc,
> this is a really bad idea.
>
> You would have to really hate someone to want to put them through this.
>
>
> --
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>
> "Meow" <SPLAT!>  "Woof" <SPLAT!>    Jeez, it's really raining today.
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:23:15 +0100, JM wrote:

> You're right - could the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS be only used for the
> troublesome packages?

Yes, by setting in in portage.accept_keywords.

BTW - to-posting is frowned upon on this list.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[JM]

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to-posting?

Am I using the wrong email address for replying to the list?

Please excuse my ignorance :)

On 28 March 2011 09:32, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:23:15 +0100, JM wrote:
>
> > You're right - could the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS be only used for the
> > troublesome packages?
>
> Yes, by setting in in portage.accept_keywords.
>
> BTW - to-posting is frowned upon on this list.
>
>
> --
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>
> Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Mick]

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On Monday 28 March 2011 09:43:47 JM wrote:
> to-posting?

Neil meant to say "top-posting":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

and

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html 

(there are many links if you google about netiquette and usenet etiquette).

BTW, some typos like Neil's are allowed to keep the rest of us on our toes.  
;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[JM]

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On 28 March 2011 10:11, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday 28 March 2011 09:43:47 JM wrote:
> > to-posting?
>
> Neil meant to say "top-posting":
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> and
>
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> (there are many links if you google about netiquette and usenet etiquette).
>
> BTW, some typos like Neil's are allowed to keep the rest of us on our toes.
> ;-)
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>

lol - I'll ask google to alter gmail for me :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:43:47 +0100, JM wrote:

> to-posting?
> 
> Am I using the wrong email address for replying to the list?
> 
> Please excuse my ignorance :)

No, I'm using a new netbook with a less sensitive keyboard than the old
one. I meant top-posting.

> 
> On 28 March 2011 09:32, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:23:15 +0100, JM wrote:
> >  
> > > You're right - could the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS be only used for the
> > > troublesome packages?  
> >
> > Yes, by setting in in portage.accept_keywords.
> >
> > BTW - to-posting is frowned upon on this list.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 27 March 2011 18:50:36 CJoeB wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this
> goes on continuously.


I suspect a dodgy entry in /etc/portage somewhere.

What's the output of:

grep -r libkexiv2 /etc/portage*
grep ACCEPT_KEYWORDS /etc/make.conf

> 
> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second
> set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance,
> there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
> 
> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep
> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
> 
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]"
> have been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
> 
> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@selected")
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------
> 
> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
> 
>    (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>    (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>    (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> 
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
> v
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[CJoeB]

On 03/27/11 22:25, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 27 March 2011 18:50:36 CJoeB wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
>> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
>> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this
>> goes on continuously.
>
> I suspect a dodgy entry in /etc/portage somewhere.
>
> What's the output of:
>
> grep -r libkexiv2 /etc/portage*
> grep ACCEPT_KEYWORDS /etc/make.conf

I didn't get any output.


>> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second
>> set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance,
>> there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
>>
>> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep
>> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
>>
>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>
>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]"
>> have been masked.
>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>> request:
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>>
>> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "@selected")
>> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
>> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
>> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
>> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
>>
>>     (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>     (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>     (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
>> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
>> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
>> v
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, CJoeB <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/27/11 22:25, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday 27 March 2011 18:50:36 CJoeB wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
>>> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
>>> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this
>>> goes on continuously.
>>
>> I suspect a dodgy entry in /etc/portage somewhere.
>>
>> What's the output of:
>>
>> grep -r libkexiv2 /etc/portage*
>> grep ACCEPT_KEYWORDS /etc/make.conf
>
> I didn't get any output.

OK, So it's not that. And you are running a stable (x86) system.

In your case, unstable kipi-plugins is trying to install unstable libkexiv2.
It's normally digikam that pulls in kipi-plugins, so we need to find out why.

You might have once installed an unstable digikam to try some new feature,
so "grep -r" for digikam and kipi-plugins in /etc/portage.

If that doesn't reveal the problem, time for big guns:

emerge -pvuNDt world

will show what is pulling those unstable versions in. But whatever you do, don't
do a "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge ..." to try and resolve it. That will
install even more unstable packages and make the problem worse. You need to
find the unwanted unstable package you already have and downgrade it .



>
>
>>> If I do emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world, the second
>>> set of output is provided and this causes other problems - for instance,
>>> there are a whole whack of packages that depend on gettext.
>>>
>>> I haven't been able to update my system in well over a month.  I keep
>>> hoping a sync will somehow miraculously correct my problem.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
>>>
>>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep world
>>>
>>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>>
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>
>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5[aqua=]"
>>> have been masked.
>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>> request:
>>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.6.0 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>>> - kde-base/libkexiv2-4.5.5 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
>>>
>>> (dependency required by "media-plugins/kipi-plugins-1.9.0" [ebuild])
>>> (dependency required by "@selected")
>>> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
>>> For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
>>> man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -----------------------------
>>>
>>> penguinchick ~ # emerge --pretend --update --deep --skip-first world
>>>
>>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>>
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> !!! One or more packages have been dropped due to
>>> !!! masking or unsatisfied dependencies:
>>>
>>>    (sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>>    (dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>>    (dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>>
>>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [2.4.43]
>>> [ebuild     U ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.2 [2.4.1]
>>> [ebuild     U ] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.80 [0.71]
>>> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [8.5]
>>> [ebuild     U ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [1.1.1-r2]
>>> v
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Colleen
>
>
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>
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>
>
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] Updating world

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, CJoeB <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/27/11 22:25, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday 27 March 2011 18:50:36 CJoeB wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> See output below.  I understand what this is telling me.  However, the
>>> issue is if I unmask libkexiv2 and kipi-plugins, I get further messages
>>> about some other kde package that is masked by ~x86 keyword.  And this
>>> goes on continuously.
>>
>> I suspect a dodgy entry in /etc/portage somewhere.
>>
>> What's the output of:
>>
>> grep -r libkexiv2 /etc/portage*
>> grep ACCEPT_KEYWORDS /etc/make.conf
>
> I didn't get any output.
>

Have you tried to trace back through the list of depends to see
exactly what kicks this off?

equery depends kipi-plugins

should tell you exactly which packages are trying to pull this in.
When you get a list of programs then you try to trace those back, one
at a time, looking for what program/use flag combo is causing this.

All my machines are 64-bit so I don't use ~x86. Looking at eix there
does seem to be a stable version of kipi-plugins so determining if and
why you are trying to get the testing version is clearly the issue.

mark@c2stable ~ $ eix kipi-plugins
* media-plugins/kipi-plugins
     Available versions:  (4) 1.2.0-r3 ~1.9.0
        {aqua calendar cdr crypt debug expoblending handbook
+imagemagick ipod kdeenablefinal linguas_ar linguas_ast linguas_be
linguas_bg linguas_ca linguas_ca@valencia linguas_cs linguas_da
linguas_de linguas_el linguas_en_GB linguas_eo linguas_es linguas_et
linguas_eu linguas_fi linguas_fr linguas_ga linguas_gl linguas_he
linguas_hi linguas_hne linguas_hr linguas_hu linguas_is linguas_it
linguas_ja linguas_km linguas_ko linguas_lt linguas_lv linguas_mai
linguas_ms linguas_nb linguas_nds linguas_nl linguas_nn linguas_oc
linguas_pa linguas_pl linguas_pt linguas_pt_BR linguas_ro linguas_ru
linguas_se linguas_sk linguas_sv linguas_th linguas_tr linguas_uk
linguas_zh_CN linguas_zh_TW mjpeg opengl redeyes scanner}
     Homepage:            http://www.kipi-plugins.org
     Description:         Plugins for the KDE Image Plugin Interface

mark@c2stable ~ $

Also, I'm sorry if I missed this but I don't see what profile you are running?

- Mark
- Mark