[gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[James]

hello,

Sure, I found this page page:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde4_6


But, I'm just curious as to when kde 4.6.x will go stable. for
amd64?


Any insight is most welcome.

James

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:53:05 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> But, I'm just curious as to when kde 4.6.x will go stable. for
> amd64?

"As for future stabilization, 4.6.1 could be a possible candidate."

An as yet unreleased version may possibly be stabilised. I think that
makes it fairly clear that there is no firm date for stabilising 4.6.

It would be wrong to stabilise such a major component without thorough
testing. You have the choice of being patient while others do the testing
or joining the process.

If you want 4.6 now, that pages tells you how to get it. If you don't
want to run testing software, you'll have to give others a chance to test
it for you.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Windows95 - crash compatible on Windows 3.x

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 16 February 2011 21:53:05 James wrote:
> hello,
> 
> Sure, I found this page page:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde4_6
> 
> 
> But, I'm just curious as to when kde 4.6.x will go stable. for
> amd64?
> 
> 
> Any insight is most welcome.

The answers are in the page you quoted <shrug>:

KDE SC 4.6.0 is in portage, currently ~testing. As for future stabilization, 
4.6.1 could be a possible candidate. 

Which means:
4.6.0 will not go stable
4.6.1 needs to be released then it might go stable. Expect at least one month 
after release.

Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not before then.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
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Infrastructure Services
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+27 11 575 7585

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not before then.

AFAIK the release date for 4.6.1 is scheduled for March 1

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not before then.
>>      
> AFAIK the release date for 4.6.1 is scheduled for March 1
>
>
>    

I'll add this.  KDE 4.6 has shutdown/logout issues here.  If I have 
Kpatience or Konqueror open when I log out, it won't log out.  I have to 
go to a console, login, kill xdm, kill the leftover cruft from KDE, 
restart xdm and login.  There was a update to kdelibs that was supposed 
to fix this but I may need to re-emerge konqueror, Kpatience and friends 
for it to die cleanly.

Right now, I would wait unless whatever is stable is causing you 
issues.  This would be a really good idea if someone that is not geeky 
is using the system.  They may not know how to kill everything or have 
the root password to kill it all.  If it is just you, you may not mind 
the extra steps.

If you are interested, I can post back if re-emerging those fixes it or 
not.  I upgraded kdelibs but have not re-emerged the rest yet.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:12:40 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote:

> > Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not
> > before then.  
> 
> AFAIK the release date for 4.6.1 is scheduled for March 1

Which means a possible stabilisation date of April 1.

I won't be emerging anything that day :-O


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Death is proven to be 99.9% fatal to all laboratory rats.

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[James Ausmus]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not before
>>> then.
>>>
>>
>> AFAIK the release date for 4.6.1 is scheduled for March 1
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'll add this.  KDE 4.6 has shutdown/logout issues here.  If I have
> Kpatience or Konqueror open when I log out, it won't log out.  I have to go
> to a console, login, kill xdm, kill the leftover cruft from KDE, restart xdm
> and login.  There was a update to kdelibs that was supposed to fix this but
> I may need to re-emerge konqueror, Kpatience and friends for it to die
> cleanly.

Simple solution - just never shut down... ;)


>
> Right now, I would wait unless whatever is stable is causing you issues.
>  This would be a really good idea if someone that is not geeky is using the
> system.  They may not know how to kill everything or have the root password
> to kill it all.  If it is just you, you may not mind the extra steps.
>
> If you are interested, I can post back if re-emerging those fixes it or not.
>  I upgraded kdelibs but have not re-emerged the rest yet.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

[gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.6.x going stable?

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> Which means a possible stabilisation date of April 1.

OK, just a ballpark figure, but that's good enough
for me.

With too many systems to admin, I stick with stable
and just use testing on a few key packages.

> I won't be emerging anything that day :-O

Agreed, I believe that Feb 14th (Valentines)
and April 1st (Fools) days should be combined.....
Love(of software) is a fool's(admin's) game.....

Now that Nokia is going "darkside" (Microsoft)
it seems that KDE (QT) has been promoted on
my list of things to watch(worry) about.....


http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011/


I hope QT survives Microsoft's ownership of Nokia.....
Or that the KDE devs successfully fork (and maintain)
QT!


cheers!

James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Dirk Uys]

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 AM, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>
> Now that Nokia is going "darkside" (Microsoft)
> it seems that KDE (QT) has been promoted on
> my list of things to watch(worry) about.....
>
>
> http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011/
>
>
> I hope QT survives Microsoft's ownership of Nokia.....
> Or that the KDE devs successfully fork (and maintain)
> QT!
>
>
> cheers!
>
> James
>

Please read this:
http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php

It would seem that KDE fate is not entirely in Nokia's hands

Regards
Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
>
> If you are interested, I can post back if re-emerging those fixes it 
> or not.  I upgraded kdelibs but have not re-emerged the rest yet.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>

I re-emerged some packages and the logout issue seems to work better.  
I'm going to run this:

emerge -1a $(qlist -C -I kde-*/*)

and see if it gets even better.  Just sort of a catch all for kde there.

Hope this helps tho.

Dle

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Wednesday 16 February 2011 17:51:45 Dale wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>  
wrote:
> >> Ask kde what's their timeline to release 4.6.1. Add 30 days. Not
> >> before then.
> > 
> > AFAIK the release date for 4.6.1 is scheduled for March 1
> 
> I'll add this.  KDE 4.6 has shutdown/logout issues here.  If I have
> Kpatience or Konqueror open when I log out, it won't log out.  I have to
> go to a console, login, kill xdm, kill the leftover cruft from KDE,
> restart xdm and login.  There was a update to kdelibs that was supposed
> to fix this but I may need to re-emerge konqueror, Kpatience and friends
> for it to die cleanly.
> 
> Right now, I would wait unless whatever is stable is causing you
> issues.  This would be a really good idea if someone that is not geeky
> is using the system.  They may not know how to kill everything or have
> the root password to kill it all.  If it is just you, you may not mind
> the extra steps.
> 
> If you are interested, I can post back if re-emerging those fixes it or
> not.  I upgraded kdelibs but have not re-emerged the rest yet.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

I had similar problems with the "stable" kde 4.4.5 where I was unable to 
logout/shutdown.
A rebuild of KDE resolved that, not sure which part was malfunctioning.

Please try rebuilding those and see if it works. I had the issue as well when 
all programs were already closed. So it might not be those two causing the 
problems.

I will test logging out with konqueror and kpatience running on 4.6.0 
(testing) when I get back home tonight.
I didn't see this problem with this version yet.

FWIW, I have not seen any issues with 4.6.0 (including the 4.6 version of 
kdepim) that weren't solved by fixing other packages and I have been running it 
for a couple of weeks now.

--
Joost

PS. I did wipe my ~/.kde folders as I had some issues caused by settings that 
were already present since 3.3.x...

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Dale]

Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> I had similar problems with the "stable" kde 4.4.5 where I was unable to
> logout/shutdown.
> A rebuild of KDE resolved that, not sure which part was malfunctioning.
>
> Please try rebuilding those and see if it works. I had the issue as well when
> all programs were already closed. So it might not be those two causing the
> problems.
>
> I will test logging out with konqueror and kpatience running on 4.6.0
> (testing) when I get back home tonight.
> I didn't see this problem with this version yet.
>
> FWIW, I have not seen any issues with 4.6.0 (including the 4.6 version of
> kdepim) that weren't solved by fixing other packages and I have been running it
> for a couple of weeks now.
>
> --
> Joost
>
> PS. I did wipe my ~/.kde folders as I had some issues caused by settings that
> were already present since 3.3.x...
>
>    

There is another post I sent about the time you were typing yours.  So, 
we have a little crossing in the mail here.  I re-emerged Konqueor and 
kpatience and they seem to close fine, at least the once I did test 
anyway.  I'm in the process of rebuilding the rest of KDE now.

I have not noticed any other issues with KDE 4.6 either.  It seems to 
work fine to me.  No clue if something under the hood is broken tho.

When I upgraded to KDE4, I started with a fresh .kde folder.  I just 
copied over stuff for Kopete and a couple other things.  KDE seemed to 
work better.  I don't use Kmail or anything so there isn't much to copy 
over.

Also, Konqueror runs as root here.  I use it to edit config files and 
such.  Dolphin wasn't working for me to well so I went back to 
Konqueror.  I did test Dolphin the other day tho, it seems to be much 
better.  I just don't like the way the box on the left is set up.  Sort 
of working on changing that around a bit.

I suspect that when this recompile gets done, things will work better.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Thursday 17 February 2011 01:35:19 Dale wrote:
> Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > I had similar problems with the "stable" kde 4.4.5 where I was unable to
> > logout/shutdown.
> > A rebuild of KDE resolved that, not sure which part was malfunctioning.
> > 
> > Please try rebuilding those and see if it works. I had the issue as well
> > when all programs were already closed. So it might not be those two
> > causing the problems.
> > 
> > I will test logging out with konqueror and kpatience running on 4.6.0
> > (testing) when I get back home tonight.
> > I didn't see this problem with this version yet.
> > 
> > FWIW, I have not seen any issues with 4.6.0 (including the 4.6 version
> > of
> > kdepim) that weren't solved by fixing other packages and I have been
> > running it for a couple of weeks now.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> > 
> > PS. I did wipe my ~/.kde folders as I had some issues caused by settings
> > that were already present since 3.3.x...
> 
> There is another post I sent about the time you were typing yours.  So,
> we have a little crossing in the mail here.  I re-emerged Konqueor and
> kpatience and they seem to close fine, at least the once I did test
> anyway.  I'm in the process of rebuilding the rest of KDE now.

Yes, I saw your email :)

> I have not noticed any other issues with KDE 4.6 either.  It seems to
> work fine to me.  No clue if something under the hood is broken tho.

Same here, but as I do use it a lot, I think I would notice it.
And any issues I find, I do report :)

> When I upgraded to KDE4, I started with a fresh .kde folder.  I just
> copied over stuff for Kopete and a couple other things.  KDE seemed to
> work better.  I don't use Kmail or anything so there isn't much to copy
> over.

I haven't am going to "copy"/merge the history-date from Kopete when I get 
round to it.
I do use Kmail (embedded into kontact) and it works quite well.
Akonadi takes a little bit to synchronize at first, but I do have 2 IMAP-
accounts and a groupdav account configured. I believe that is causing it to 
take a little bit longer.

> Also, Konqueror runs as root here.  I use it to edit config files and
> such.

I tend to use the commandline for editing stuff for root, maybe I'm old-school 
in that, but I prefer not to use graphical software as root

> Dolphin wasn't working for me to well so I went back to
> Konqueror.  I did test Dolphin the other day tho, it seems to be much
> better.  I just don't like the way the box on the left is set up.  Sort
> of working on changing that around a bit.

In View->Panels, you can specify what to show on the "left"

I have the "places" and "folders" shown on mine and am happy with those 2.

> I suspect that when this recompile gets done, things will work better

I hope so for you, I did do a full "emerge -e" on mine to fix some weird 
behaviours :)

--
Joost

[gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.6.x going stable?

[James]

Dirk Uys <dirkcuys <at> gmail.com> writes:


> Please read this: http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde


Yep, I saw this. However much of the (QT) development
and maintenance is from folks that receive a paycheck
form Nokia. Now that MS is in the picture, I sure
this burden will move to the Open Source Community,
particularly the KDE devs.


It's really nice when corporations at least partially
support open source code. Adding QT to the KDE teams'
responsibilities, is a burden. I have not read about
legions of Nokia (former QT) developers happy to support
QT without a paycheck......? 

Just a concern as I was hoping for a link to where the
(ex) Nokia QT devs are speaking out and pledging to take
AT forward.....?

All the above link sets forth is that there is a plausible,
legal path forward, not a team, organization or leadership.

After all, QT is very important to KDE and many other
gui devices (industrial controls for example). Is Nokia
pledging to keep moving QT forward? I read that MS owns
quite a large amount of Nokia now, and that (CEO) Stephen
is now Balmer's newest bitch.... That does not bode
well for QT, KDE or open source efforts, imho.


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Naga]

On Thursday 17 February 2011 18.28.36 James wrote:
[...]
> After all, QT is very important to KDE and many other
> gui devices (industrial controls for example). Is Nokia
> pledging to keep moving QT forward? I read that MS owns
> quite a large amount of Nokia now,

Where? I read the press releases and there it talkes about a partnership when 
it comes to "smart phones".

/Regards
Naga

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.6.x going stable?

[Yohan Pereira]

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On Thursday 17 Feb 2011 11:58:36 PM James wrote:
> Is Nokia pledging to keep moving QT forward?

well sort of.. 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA5OA

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- Yohan Pereira

"A man can do as he will, but not will as he will" - Schopenhauer

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