From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PnHtO-0004ag-Jz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:48:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83319E0A5F; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290DBE0A5F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so724002wyf.40 for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:46:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=Hw9RaBQqqz+VZQHCWWIicnmrI9v0nio8C/XFWqY/ZAo=; b=w9pL8gp4Nzq1P7rHF3o1dJ4ca46pIyCUaeTFEEwO7ZxJYzA5238BX7Ze0tfHS3NbNF 9AoTTZfqz7kk9TCMq8wVLz8bNa0IM4uOuObeNV8aFzMy9vpyY9YVBTYxmi8dH82tQLUd whA1QX0p+zlUCglRg+BcBeLfl0/ZbX72p0z+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=gq7IRr/f0bQdyiry5GMKEO2IZlGAX6idkXFhlhDEHystm3PoODFjNYNfy1gFoZSBS5 Zgxyn3MWFsarfuOtAD3lkiIW7wXqOW8R8RmCBoSTNi7h6OiB/Km3nhT62vCgCS/PI9zf WWE0D8jwW9O+knJ48j2x8rPhREehA1ZpNH4dU= Received: by 10.227.134.69 with SMTP id i5mr19959830wbt.139.1297285488967; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-114-232.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.114.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y29sm633600wbd.16.2011.02.09.13.04.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Disk Labels in Handbook Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:58:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.37-ck; KDE/4.6.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <4D52A1C1.7040606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201102092258.12522.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e224d4041a656a14f28777f7f70b14bd Apparently, though unproven, at 16:27 on Wednesday 09 February 2011, Mark=20 Knecht did opine thusly: > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Dale wrote: > > James wrote: > >> Hello, > >>=20 > >> So looking at the handbook, I was wondering > >> why it does not describe how to use Disk Labels > >> during the installation process. Dunno. > >>=20 > >> So I poised this question on gentoo-doc > >> and got this encouraging response from *JOSH* > >>=20 > >> snip > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> James > >=20 > > Given that some folks on here have ran into USB drives changing the ord= er > > of partitions, I think this is a good idea. If needed, they could at > > least introduce the subject then have it link to another page. Even if > > it is the simplest label of using boot, root and such labels and maybe a > > mention that there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. > >=20 > > I ran into this issue a while back when I added a hard drive and it was > > not easy to work with. When I boot a CD/DVD, it sees them as hd* > > instead of sd* so that didn't help since the OS kernel sees them as sd*. > >=20 > > It may be uphill to get this included or at least linked to something > > else explaining it but I think it is a good idea. I also added myself > > to the bug as well. I saw the post on -doc. > >=20 > > Dale >=20 > Following Walt's recent thread about his experiences using grub2 I > think getting folks used to disk labels at installation time, be they > names or even better UUID's, might fit in very well with installation > instructions that cover using grub2 instead of grub as a boot loader. =46rom a practical perspective, fs labels are easier than GUIDs, so I would= =20 recommend labels. Users can invent their own descriptive labels at install= =20 time and enter that into fstab. "LABEL=3DSERVER1-ROOT" is not much more effort than "/dev/sda3" GUIDs are another story. They get autogenerated, are invariably displayed o= n=20 the screen along with a huge number of other GUIDs (Murphy) and one has to= =20 copy paste the damn things into vi. GUIDs are great for ubuntu where an install script does all the heavy lifti= ng,=20 but Gentoo, being a vastly superior operating system, has made the=20 devastatingly astounding assumption that users are actually able to think a= nd=20 type. Whodathunkedit? If we expect users to type stuff, we should set it up so they type easy stu= ff=20 :-) =2D-=20 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com