From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PIVfa-00057W-Um for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:14:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD15AE0667; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f53.google.com (mail-ew0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFBFE0667 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so913734ewy.40 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:14:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=NX6A/8jGBoI+W25IDnzpQsZT6v0CAFVbHh60ARHZD0U=; b=fCbduFn6ma5+Jb9IQTmABTD0XG2w/kag3PAmDngaV9s/KCsiSjQoJrgEEH3ft0LLxC 1Xmlr3teSpqbrOC0aCMsMp8maQv9FOqhhv1b1iC+QE2a+okH3K3TGEUjgZRT7L4304HW 1yd/dc6Nyjvf8fZc6X8NYwdYi/M9HtaIkRZ8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=HYxcAVbgRnkqpIC9oOfiY+jeWFQW1OcGHJyX9yGW6+HUQFZAK6e4AoPTejK/wfC6wc f+hs4t5xElPNXEM7gk/n3Wu4pEaELPizWL6ydq3CJzPABXBT5YmK0CjAYuMcSmjRuCQw VSeLO/HrGR1EQP4xJbbtSqr0yF9cnnkgYUCLw= Received: by 10.213.103.74 with SMTP id j10mr6917115ebo.46.1289952840023; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-238-14.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.238.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20sm1713107eeh.18.2010.11.16.16.13.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] bind-9.7.1_p2 does not want to stop... Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:14:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.36-ck; KDE/4.5.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4CE2D8B8.4040009@gmail.com> <201011162255.29649.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4CE30FE5.6060008@xunil.at> In-Reply-To: <4CE30FE5.6060008@xunil.at> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011170214.29079.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: a4038050-b097-4297-84d4-8590d0e8784f X-Archives-Hash: a6272eed49d9474d5b4f78cab98b2cf7 Apparently, though unproven, at 01:12 on Wednesday 17 November 2010, Stefan G. Weichinger did opine thusly: > Am 2010-11-16 21:55, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > I've seen the weirdest inexplicable things from bind (and vixie-cron too, > > now that I think of it). > > OT: what is your recommended alternative to vixie-cron then? I use vixie-cron anyway, for a few reasons: - my own inertia on the matter - I need something to whinge about otherwise my life feels incomplete - all my servers are multi-user and getting 50+ Cisco jockeys to understand a new cron is not worth the effort I've learnt how to deal with vixie-cron's quirks and just live with it. I've heard good reports from others about fcron, especially for notebooks and desktops that are not running 24/7. fcron has features similar to anacron so you can configure scenarios like this: Run this script once every 24 hour period, at 4am if you can, and if not at the earliest point possible. If you can't run it at all in a 24 hour period, ignore it and start again tomorrow. Regular cron simply can't do that. It can't even do something on the last day of the month easily .... you do it at 1 minute past midnight on the first of the month instead :-) My girlfriend swears by ControlM, but she forgets that she works in a large bank and the interdependency graph of all their scheduled jobs is a fantastic beast. She can categorize jobs by importance and have this magic "cron" shuffle them around, ignore failures from the minor ones, and have the cell- phone go beep-beep constantly when a critical script fails. This beep-beep wakes me up at 4am which is the main reason I resist using it myself. That and the cost - it's an enterprise product with a price tag to match. And complete overkill for anything a mere ISP wants to do. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com