From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OtGxi-00086f-Ln for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:29:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AE69E0C98; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.166]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF23CE0C98 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.142] (helo=smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OtGxF-0006Uv-Uy for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:28:33 +0200 Received: from 53532a97.cable.casema.nl ([83.83.42.151] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OtGxF-0007xj-Cn for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:28:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB31716 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:29:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UEe2j5rqV-JG for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0513E for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:29:12 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:28:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.30-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009072249.37643.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009081128.32124.joost@antarean.org> X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1OtGxF-0007xj-Cn X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.185, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: e1732e16-f7a9-4b68-bf8b-cf45c78ebf68 X-Archives-Hash: cbece7306eb50500d4ccada8b5d58199 On Wednesday 08 September 2010 10:43:13 Al wrote: > > emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator. > > Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their > disadvantages in producing noise. Actually, no... With NNTP and Email can both be configured to display in threaded or non- threaded mode. The default just happens to be different, depending on the mail-client. In both cases, a "new message" indicator will show, and with both News and Email, the same situation exists that you either leave messages as "unread" or select an entire thread to be marked "read" This last is very simple with my favourite mail-client (KMail) and I would be surprised if the same isn't true for most mail clients. > If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this > puts a cap on the potential userbase of Gentoo. How does this put a cap on the potential userbase of Gentoo? One of the largest Linux distributions at the moment is Ubuntu. A quick check on their website doesn't show a News-server. The same with Debian, RedHat, Fedora. Actually, the only one I could find that does mention news-groups (OpenSuse) uses GMANE as a mailing-list / newsgroup bridge and points to GMANE. Even though the Gentoo-project does not advertise the fact, the list-emails are accessible through NNTP and GMANE in the same way. Now please leave it at this. You have been offered 3 different solutions to your issue already: - log a bug on bugzilla, as already mentioned - use GMANE with your newsreader (or the other news-server that was already mentioned) - accept the way things are done in the Gentoo-community and use the mailing list as designed. -- Joost