From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OswGH-0000TU-OS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:22:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F7F2E0838; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA89DE0838 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.151] (helo=smtp19.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OswFX-0001Cd-Ew for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:22:03 +0200 Received: from 53532a97.cable.casema.nl ([83.83.42.151] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp19.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OswFV-0002dk-Dv for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:22:01 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EDD71C for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:22:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5YqF1DevNwd for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:22:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9795717 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:22:36 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:21:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.30-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009071209.26603.joost@antarean.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201009071322.00111.joost@antarean.org> X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1OswFV-0002dk-Dv X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=0.001, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: 31cf57d5-8331-405b-8384-cc1af1710381 X-Archives-Hash: c2e50ce06873f7a651b85c5576ce2bf4 On Tuesday 07 September 2010 12:51:36 Al wrote: > 2010/9/7 J. Roeleveld : > > Except that then I need to do these 2 steps all the time and for every > > mailing list that I use. >=20 > Only once for the news groups of gentoo. Only one click to subscribe > to a second group. Per project, per list, per desktop... That becomes quite a lot of work. And there is at least one click to get to the subscribe-list. Then at least one click per list (or once for "select all"?) Then at least one click to confirm. Am counting 3 clicks here at least. And multiply that with all the desktops= =20 and projects. As opposed to configuring one IMAP-server per desktop and 1 webpage to reme= mber=20 for the webmail. > > Usenet's strength was that all news-groups were accessible through all > > news- servers. >=20 > Usenet was the sozial network of the past. It has been replaced by > something better in that function. I never considered usenet to be a social network. We had chat-software for that. (And no, I am not talking about ICQ, that came later) > > By using different news-servers for different projects, this advantage = is > > gone. >=20 > Usenet is gone. The advantage of a projects newsserver is something > very different. Easy to subcribe to and a full knowledge database of > all discussions without switching to a browser. The problem is that > people didn't learn how to do that at all. How do you search through a newsserver without having to download all the=20 messages in their entirety? The error-message someone might be trying to resolve may not even be in the= =20 subject, but in one of the replies. > > This way, I only need to subscribe to mailing lists once and only need = to > > remember one set of account-details. >=20 > But you have to set up filters for that account. Once per mailing list and the filters are included in my backups. If I need to reinstall a desktop for whatever reason, I need to re-add all = the=20 news-servers and news-groups... > > And I am not aware of any news-reader that can handle multiple different > > news- servers easily without a news-proxy like leafnode sitting in > > between. >=20 > Thunderbird. There is no limit to severs you can subscribe to. And can these all be listed in the same list as my email? My email is sorted as such: INBOX |-Maillists |-project |- list Can thunderbird, or any other news-reader, plug the news-group-feed into my= =20 email like that? In the summary-page, I can easily view how many new messages there are per= =20 mailing list, I am used to working like that. But, like Norman Rie=DF said, if you want to maintain a news server that is= =20 fully synchronised with the mailing lists, I don't think anyone would try t= o=20 stop you. =2D- Joost