From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OeE8r-000093-QJ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:26:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 327F1E0716; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECACCE0716 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so1416987eyd.40 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=uJ3a8ntNQws7nwUIkcruZGmnKoXD4bwNAs8d3AyMhvU=; b=dlWhY7O332qMebgM4fh5Ahx63WBgkbLPrW/S///P4Gd4TW5Uuypm9ToH7kBrHeoXyT VlGPY/gdIz9b9QyJW3+pTe+4EfEDLvFReYM0G9YBzebJUU4fsT6oFqwQRyd15QR2t+pR PuUNbhaz1dJWmuoUBOas59fj7S4Q61kLo0suM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=HDpx156k2r4VPU+RDbMJKUuJN6+5RdmbfpSAbXDMBZ8u+4fFUlagHXP6INBaqZeor4 hoFqvCjtj1kOSazCaroGeIm/22TwYBH9zyMl5vhHS8WxdYDwjXj9gEm2TUFetDWb+Mkk YcB/bSKOZkuWDe89v8605TxkTzwctVvkKEObo= Received: by 10.14.22.78 with SMTP id s54mr2657343ees.69.1280352335235; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-183-170.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.183.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v59sm71338eeh.4.2010.07.28.14.25.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:22:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201007282322.27601.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 101d717f-0050-4d21-ae58-510448ffbbfd X-Archives-Hash: fd68c843170a9054020dffbfae904cbd On Wednesday 28 July 2010 23:08:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place? It's not gonna > >>>> eat your cat. > >>> > >>> Although it may kill your crew. > >> > >> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for. They think > >> that they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB > >> hotplugging/automounting working. But that's wrong. Gnome/KDE use HAL > >> for this, not X. And if you disable HAL completely, that stuff will > >> stop working. > > > > E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id. > > > > I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble. > > But I kept HAL because it's very useful. > > If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since > with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really > optional anymore. I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3): > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444 Something tells me the kde.org admins didn't *really* intend to show me all this info: Software error: DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Unknown table engine 'InnoDB' [for Statement "SELECT bug_id FROM bugs WHERE bug_id = ?"] at Bugzilla/Bug.pm line 3366 Bugzilla::Bug::ValidateBugID(244444) called at /home/bugzilla/public_html/show_bug.cgi line 62 For help, please send mail to the webmaster (sysadmin@kde.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. tut, tut, kde.org. Big fail. Need to learn how to trap errors properly. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com