[gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[sam new]

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Hi All,
       As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any other
devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in /etc/make.conf
,and recompile  the packages, and also modify  /etc/conf.d/xdm with
NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default .All things goes well
,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the list still has a hal
package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal? maybe dependence ，but I
use 'equery d hal' and  check packages which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any
Suggestions?




best regards,
samnew

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> Hi All,
>        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any other
> devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify 
> /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default .All
> things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the list
> still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal? maybe
> dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages which depend HAL
> ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?


emerge -avuNDt world


to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is causing hal 
to be pulled in



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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[sam new]

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I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount depends
hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?

On 28 July 2010 13:01, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any
> other
> > devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> > /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> > /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default .All
> > things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the list
> > still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal? maybe
> > dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages which depend HAL
> > ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?
>
>
> emerge -avuNDt world
>
>
> to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is causing
> hal
> to be pulled in
>
>
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Alan McKinnon]

I can't understand what you have typed.

Please run emerge -avuNDt world and post the entire output here.



On Wednesday 28 July 2010 15:34:23 sam new wrote:
> I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
> ,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
> package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount
> depends hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?
> 
> On 28 July 2010 13:01, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > >        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any
> > 
> > other
> > 
> > > devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> > > /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> > > /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default
> > > .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in
> > > the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge
> > > hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages
> > > which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?
> > 
> > emerge -avuNDt world
> > 
> > 
> > to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is causing
> > hal
> > to be pulled in
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[sam new]

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I use emerge -avuNDt world ,just find out that is
gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1 is depend HAL

On 28 July 2010 23:08, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't understand what you have typed.
>
> Please run emerge -avuNDt world and post the entire output here.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 28 July 2010 15:34:23 sam new wrote:
> > I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is
>  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
> > ,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
> > package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount
> > depends hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?
> >
> > On 28 July 2010 13:01, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > >        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any
> > >
> > > other
> > >
> > > > devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> > > > /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> > > > /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default
> > > > .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in
> > > > the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll
> emerge
> > > > hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages
> > > > which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?
> > >
> > > emerge -avuNDt world
> > >
> > >
> > > to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is
> causing
> > > hal
> > > to be pulled in
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
> --
>  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 29 July 2010 04:26:09 sam new wrote:
> I use emerge -avuNDt world ,just find out that is
> gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1 is depend HAL

Yes, hal is required for gnome-mount-0.8-r1, it is not optional

You must either have hal or not have gnome-mount

But what's the problem? hal can be installed, you don't have to USE it.


> 
> On 28 July 2010 23:08, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can't understand what you have typed.
> > 
> > Please run emerge -avuNDt world and post the entire output here.
> > 
> > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 15:34:23 sam new wrote:
> > > I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is
> >  
> >  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
> >  
> > > ,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
> > > package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount
> > > depends hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?
> > > 
> > > On 28 July 2010 13:01, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > 
> > > > >        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or
> > > > >        any
> > > > 
> > > > other
> > > > 
> > > > > devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> > > > > /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> > > > > /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default
> > > > > .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world
> > > > > ,in the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system
> > > > > sitll
> > 
> > emerge
> > 
> > > > > hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages
> > > > > which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > emerge -avuNDt world
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is
> > 
> > causing
> > 
> > > > hal
> > > > to be pulled in
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
> > 
> > --
> > 
> >  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[sam new]

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maybe I am a perfectionist ,aha:) so want to remove it completely ,although
HAL is  just installed and do not  use it .maybe try to modify gnome-mount
ebuild or let it be ;-)

On 29 July 2010 14:39, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 29 July 2010 04:26:09 sam new wrote:
> > I use emerge -avuNDt world ,just find out that is
> > gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1 is depend HAL
>
> Yes, hal is required for gnome-mount-0.8-r1, it is not optional
>
> You must either have hal or not have gnome-mount
>
> But what's the problem? hal can be installed, you don't have to USE it.
>
>
> >
> > On 28 July 2010 23:08, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I can't understand what you have typed.
> > >
> > > Please run emerge -avuNDt world and post the entire output here.
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 15:34:23 sam new wrote:
> > > > I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is
> > >
> > >  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
> > >
> > > > ,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
> > > > package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount
> > > > depends hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?
> > > >
> > > > On 28 July 2010 13:01, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or
> > > > > >        any
> > > > >
> > > > > other
> > > > >
> > > > > > devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> > > > > > /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> > > > > > /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal
> default
> > > > > > .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world
> > > > > > ,in the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system
> > > > > > sitll
> > >
> > > emerge
> > >
> > > > > > hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check
> packages
> > > > > > which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > emerge -avuNDt world
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is
> > >
> > > causing
> > >
> > > > > hal
> > > > > to be pulled in
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
> --
>  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 28 Juli 2010, sam new wrote:
> I use emerge -avuNDt world ,find out that is  gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.8-r1
> ,and also check the ebuild that depends hal .but I mask it in the
> package.mask why still emerge gnome-mount and hal ,maybe gnome-mount
> depends hal,and others depends gnome-mount ,how can I do?

you can't if you want to use gnome-mount and other gnome stuff.

Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:44:23 +0800, sam new wrote:

>        As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any
> other devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal"
> in /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also
> modify  /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal
> default .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my
> world ,in the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system
> sitll emerge hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and
> check packages which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?

USE only affects optional dependencies. euse -I hal will list packages
that have a hal USE flag while emerge --depclean -pv sys-apps/hal will
show those that depend o it. If any appear i only the second list, they
probably have a compulsory dependency on hal. For example K3b shows up
like that here.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> USE only affects optional dependencies. euse -I hal will list packages
> that have a hal USE flag while emerge --depclean -pv sys-apps/hal will
> show those that depend o it. 

I've just experimented a bit with that and it turned out that 
--depclean doesn't clean up the buildtime-only deps. But if I
remove one of them (eg. cabextract), they don't get pulled in again
(that's indicating the depending ebuilds are written properly).

Is this a bug ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Mike Edenfield]

On 8/17/2010 3:49 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> USE only affects optional dependencies. euse -I hal will list packages
>> that have a hal USE flag while emerge --depclean -pv sys-apps/hal will
>> show those that depend o it. 
> 
> I've just experimented a bit with that and it turned out that 
> --depclean doesn't clean up the buildtime-only deps. But if I
> remove one of them (eg. cabextract), they don't get pulled in again
> (that's indicating the depending ebuilds are written properly).
> 
> Is this a bug ?

--depclean is supposed to pull in build-time dependencies, unless you
specify "--with-bdeps n".  So if that's not happening, then I'd say it
is a bug.

[gentoo-user] autodepclean script (was "how to remove HAL")

[Walter Dnes]

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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:49:22PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote

> I've just experimented a bit with that and it turned out that 
> --depclean doesn't clean up the buildtime-only deps. But if I
> remove one of them (eg. cabextract), they don't get pulled in again
> (that's indicating the depending ebuilds are written properly).

  This reminds me of a script I've been working on to remove unnecessary
cruft.  Everything that follows is run as root, because it runs
"emerge".  The attached script "autodepclean" parses the output from
"emerge --pretend --depclean" and generates a script "cleanscript" that
you can run to clean up your system.  This should handle your situation,
but it's also a general solution to the entire class of problems of
cleaning up when you remove all programs or USE flags that pull in a
lib.  It is not restricted to just HAL

  Warning, this script is beta.  Use with care.  It will remove
gentoo-sources versions higher than your current kernel.  This is
technically correct for removing unused ebuilds.  But it may not be what
you want.

-- 
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#!/bin/bash
# autodepclean script v 0.01 released under GPL v3 by Walter Dnes 2010/08/18
# Generates a file "cleanscript" to remove unused ebuilds, including
# buildtime-only dependancies.
#
# Warning; this script is still beta.  I recommend that you check the output
# in cleanscript before running it.  It is agressive about removing unused
# gentoo-sources versions.  This includes those that are higher than your
# current kernel.  This is technically correct for removing unused ebuilds,
# but it may not be what you want.
#
echo "#!/bin/bash" > cleanscript
echo "#" > cleanscript.000
emerge --pretend --depclean |\
  grep -A1 "^ .*/" |\
  grep -v "^ \*" |\
  grep -v "^--" |\
  sed ":/: {
N
s:\n::
s/    selected: /-/
s/^ /emerge --depclean =/
}" >> cleanscript.000
while read
do
  echo "${REPLY}" >> cleanscript
  if [ "${REPLY:0:6}" == "emerge" ]; then
    echo "revdep-rebuild" >> cleanscript
  fi
done < cleanscript.000
chmod 744 cleanscript

[gentoo-user] Re: autodepclean script (was "how to remove HAL")

[Francesco Talamona]

On Thursday 19 August 2010, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:49:22PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote
> 
> > I've just experimented a bit with that and it turned out that
> > --depclean doesn't clean up the buildtime-only deps. But if I
> > remove one of them (eg. cabextract), they don't get pulled in again
> > (that's indicating the depending ebuilds are written properly).
> 
>   This reminds me of a script I've been working on to remove
> unnecessary cruft.  Everything that follows is run as root, because
> it runs "emerge".  The attached script "autodepclean" parses the
> output from "emerge --pretend --depclean" and generates a script
> "cleanscript" that you can run to clean up your system.  This should
> handle your situation, but it's also a general solution to the
> entire class of problems of cleaning up when you remove all programs
> or USE flags that pull in a lib.  It is not restricted to just HAL
> 
>   Warning, this script is beta.  Use with care.  It will remove
> gentoo-sources versions higher than your current kernel.  This is
> technically correct for removing unused ebuilds.  But it may not be
> what you want.

I'm unclear about the aim of your script, what does different from 
"emerge -a --depclean" followed by "revdep-rebuild -- -a"?

Ciao
	Francesco
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aemaeth

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: autodepclean script (was "how to remove HAL")

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:07:40PM +0200, Francesco Talamona wrote

> I'm unclear about the aim of your script, what does different from 
> "emerge -a --depclean" followed by "revdep-rebuild -- -a"?

  The autodepclean script automatically generates a list of of target
ebuuilds to clean out (i.e. "cleanscript").  This gives you the
opportunity to review it and delete items from the list before going
ahead.  Does "emerge -a --depclean" allow you to skip individual items?

-- 
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[gentoo-user] Re: autodepclean script (was "how to remove HAL")

[Francesco Talamona]

On Sunday 22 August 2010, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:07:40PM +0200, Francesco Talamona wrote
> 
> > I'm unclear about the aim of your script, what does different from
> > "emerge -a --depclean" followed by "revdep-rebuild -- -a"?
> 
>   The autodepclean script automatically generates a list of of target
> ebuuilds to clean out (i.e. "cleanscript").  This gives you the
> opportunity to review it and delete items from the list before going
> ahead.  Does "emerge -a --depclean" allow you to skip individual
> items?

Ah ok, now i see the point. Usually I prefer to stop depclean (answering 
no) and specify the exceptions with emerge --noreplace.

This is because the exclusion of some packages from depclean can affect 
the following result of it.

If you install a package having many dependencies, with emerge --oneshot 
and then run emerge --depclean you'll see that is easier to run two 
times depclean than edit the generated list :)

Cheers
	Francesco
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:49:22 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:

> I've just experimented a bit with that and it turned out that 
> --depclean doesn't clean up the buildtime-only deps. But if I
> remove one of them (eg. cabextract), they don't get pulled in again
> (that's indicating the depending ebuilds are written properly).

Emerge defaults to --with-bdeps=n except when using --depclean, when it
uses --with-bdeps=y. man emerge explains.


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[gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 07/28/2010 05:44 AM, sam new wrote:
> Hi All,
>         As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any
> other devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE="-hal" in
> /etc/make.conf ,and recompile  the packages, and also modify
> /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD="no" ，exec rc-update del hal default
> .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the
> list still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal?
> maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and  check packages which
> depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions?

You can not remove HAL if something needs it.

And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna eat 
your cat.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
> eat your cat.

Although it may kill your crew.


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I'm not closed minded, you're just wrong.

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[gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>> eat your cat.
>
> Although it may kill your crew.

I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think 
that they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB 
hotplugging/automounting working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL 
for this, not X.  And if you disable HAL completely, that stuff will 
stop working.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Andrey Vul]

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>
>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>> eat your cat.
>>
>> Although it may kill your crew.
>
> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think that
> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB hotplugging/automounting
> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if you
> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>
>

E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.

I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
But I kept HAL because it's very useful.

[gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>
>>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>>> eat your cat.
>>>
>>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>
>> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think that
>> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB hotplugging/automounting
>> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if you
>> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>>
>>
>
> E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
>
> I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
> But I kept HAL because it's very useful.

If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since 
with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really 
optional anymore.  I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 28 July 2010 23:08:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
> >> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
> >>>> eat your cat.
> >>> 
> >>> Although it may kill your crew.
> >> 
> >> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think
> >> that they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
> >> hotplugging/automounting working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL
> >> for this, not X.  And if you disable HAL completely, that stuff will
> >> stop working.
> > 
> > E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
> > 
> > I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
> > But I kept HAL because it's very useful.
> 
> If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since
> with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really
> optional anymore.  I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):
> 
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444

Something tells me the kde.org admins didn't *really* intend to show me all 
this info:

Software error:

DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Unknown table engine 'InnoDB' [for 
Statement "SELECT bug_id FROM bugs WHERE bug_id = ?"] at Bugzilla/Bug.pm line 
3366
	Bugzilla::Bug::ValidateBugID(244444) called at 
/home/bugzilla/public_html/show_bug.cgi line 62

For help, please send mail to the webmaster (sysadmin@kde.org), giving this 
error message and the time and date of the error. 

tut, tut, kde.org. Big fail. Need to learn how to trap errors properly.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Andrey Vul]

Ugh. Now i'll actually have to config policykit.conf.
For some reason, match group=wheel return yes fails so much. Somehow
the mount-ro defaults to no every time

On 2010-07-28, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>>> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>>>> eat your cat.
>>>>
>>>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>>
>>> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think
>>> that
>>> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
>>> hotplugging/automounting
>>> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if
>>> you
>>> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
>>
>> I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
>> But I kept HAL because it's very useful.
>
> If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since
> with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really
> optional anymore.  I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444
>
>
>

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[gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Btw, I think now the package is "polkit", not "policykit"; I think the 
first replaced the second.  If you enable the "policykit" USE flag for 
kdelibs and consolekit, only sys-auth/polkit gets installed, not 
sys-auth/policykit.  However, if you enable that USE flag globally in 
make.conf, then I think both get installed because some package probably 
depend on the older package.

Anyway, I don't have a "policykit.conf".  Or if I have one, I don't know 
where it is and I never edited it.  And yet everything seems to be 
working just fine here.


On 07/29/2010 03:31 AM, Andrey Vul wrote:
> Ugh. Now i'll actually have to config policykit.conf.
> For some reason, match group=wheel return yes fails so much. Somehow
> the mount-ro defaults to no every time
>
> On 2010-07-28, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>> On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>   wrote:
>>>> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>>>>> eat your cat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>>>
>>>> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think
>>>> that
>>>> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
>>>> hotplugging/automounting
>>>> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if
>>>> you
>>>> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
>>>
>>> I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
>>> But I kept HAL because it's very useful.
>>
>> If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since
>> with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really
>> optional anymore.  I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):
>>
>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444

[gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Just after posting this, I realized that KDE 4.4 uses policykit, but 4.5 
uses the new polkit.  I guess that's why I never needed to mess with any 
configuration files.


On 07/29/2010 03:38 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Btw, I think now the package is "polkit", not "policykit"; I think the
> first replaced the second. If you enable the "policykit" USE flag for
> kdelibs and consolekit, only sys-auth/polkit gets installed, not
> sys-auth/policykit. However, if you enable that USE flag globally in
> make.conf, then I think both get installed because some package probably
> depend on the older package.
>
> Anyway, I don't have a "policykit.conf". Or if I have one, I don't know
> where it is and I never edited it. And yet everything seems to be
> working just fine here.
>
>
> On 07/29/2010 03:31 AM, Andrey Vul wrote:
>> Ugh. Now i'll actually have to config policykit.conf.
>> For some reason, match group=wheel return yes fails so much. Somehow
>> the mount-ro defaults to no every time
>>
>> On 2010-07-28, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
>>> On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place? It's not gonna
>>>>>>> eat your cat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for. They think
>>>>> that
>>>>> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
>>>>> hotplugging/automounting
>>>>> working. But that's wrong. Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X. And if
>>>>> you
>>>>> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
>>>>
>>>> I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
>>>> But I kept HAL because it's very useful.
>>>
>>> If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since
>>> with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really
>>> optional anymore. I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):
>>>
>>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL

[Andrey Vul]

Ugh. Now i'll actually have to config policykit.conf.
For some reason, match group=wheel return yes fails so much. Somehow
the mount-ro defaults to no every time

On 2010-07-28, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 11:54 PM, Andrey Vul wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 14:50, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>>> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>>>> eat your cat.
>>>>
>>>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>>
>>> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think
>>> that
>>> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
>>> hotplugging/automounting
>>> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if
>>> you
>>> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> E.g. solid-hardware for HAL-mounting devices by uuid/volume-id.
>>
>> I just got rid of policykit - too much trouble.
>> But I kept HAL because it's very useful.
>
> If you're on KDE, you will need policykit again in the future, since
> with KDE 4.5 (to be released in a matter of days) it's not really
> optional anymore.  I got hit by this when updating to it (now at RC3):
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244444
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to remove HAL

[sam new]

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"They think that they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB
hotplugging/automounting working",in Xorg 1.8, udev will replace HAL  . we
can use devicekit-disks package to mount USB stick or CD,USE polkit-gnome or
ntfs3g  to mount NTFS filesystem. so HAL is not needed.may be modify
gnome-mount ebuild ,remove HAL depedency and put it in local OVERLAY .maybe
slove the problem.

On 29 July 2010 02:50, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:

> On 07/28/2010 08:23 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:31:21 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>
>> And why do you want to remove it in the first place?  It's not gonna
>>> eat your cat.
>>>
>>
>> Although it may kill your crew.
>>
>
> I think most people don't understand what X used HAL for.  They think that
> they can remove HAL and still have stuff like USB hotplugging/automounting
> working.  But that's wrong.  Gnome/KDE use HAL for this, not X.  And if you
> disable HAL completely, that stuff will stop working.
>
>
>

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