[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> desktops.
> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> toolchains or in a browser.
>
> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
> full before.

Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge 
-a --depclean.  That should do it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> > important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> > I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
> > any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> > desktops.
> > I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> > toolchains or in a browser.
> >
> > The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> > running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> > odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> > dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
> > a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
> > full before.
> 
> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge 
> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
> 
> 

Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>> desktops.
>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>
>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>> full before.
>>
>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>
> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?

Don't know, never happened here.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Christian Schulze]

Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
> >>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>> multiple desktops.
> >>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>>
> >>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> >>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> >>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
> >>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
> >>> near full before.
> >>
> >> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
> >> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
> >
> > Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> > semantic-desktop use flag set?
> 
> Don't know, never happened here.
> 
Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:

[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"

Let's see if it works.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Crístian Viana]

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there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml

it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my
system.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:

> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
>>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>>> desktops.
>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
>>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>>> full before.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>
>>
>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>
>
> Don't know, never happened here.
>
>
>


-- 
Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]
Sent from Campinas, SP, Brazil

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote:
> there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list:
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml
>
> it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my
> system.

Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE 
in general using a "semantic desktop?"

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 24 February 2010 16:46:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote:
> > there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list:
> > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e
> > 95.xml
> > 
> > it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my
> > system.
> 
> Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE
> in general using a "semantic desktop?"

No. It means that kdelibs will support Nepomuk, whether individual apps do so 
or not is indeterminate. There are three possibilities for apps:

1. They build support for semantic desktop
2. They do not build support for semantic desktop
3. They can be configured to support or not support semantic desktop via USE

Plus a 4th option: buggy code that does some weird combination of 1-3 or 
perhaps something else altogether.

To answer your question, you would have to audit all the KDE4 apps and add up 
the tally against points 1-3 (and maybe 4)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Dale]

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
>    
>> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>      
>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>        
>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
>>>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
>>>>> near full before.
>>>>>            
>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>>          
>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>        
>> Don't know, never happened here.
>>
>>      
> Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:
>
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5  USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>
> Let's see if it works.
>
>
>    

I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.  
Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set.  I don't 
think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine 
and try it too.  Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a 
difference.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:
> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
>> Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
>>> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
>>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
>>>>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
>>>>>> near full before.
>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
>>>>> -a --depclean. That should do it.
>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>> Don't know, never happened here.
>>>
>> Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:
>>
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>
>> Let's see if it works.
>>
>>
>
> I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
> Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
> I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
> it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.

KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it.  KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mike Edenfield]

On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>> desktops.
>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>
>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>> full before.
>>
>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge 
>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>
>>
> 
> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?
> 

For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
off the services after installing them.

Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space.

--Mike

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Dale]

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:
>> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
>>> Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
>>>> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
>>>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
>>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
>>>>>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
>>>>>>> near full before.
>>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. 
>>>>>> emerge
>>>>>> -a --depclean. That should do it.
>>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>> Don't know, never happened here.
>>>>
>>> Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:
>>>
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 
>>> USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>
>>> Let's see if it works.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
>> Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
>> I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
>> it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.
>
> KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it.  KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.
>
>

Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me.  
If you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with 
it.  I suspect that some other packages will pull it in as KDE develops 
tho.  After all, KDE 4 has a LOT of eye candy to it.  Sort of like 
winders actually.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
> >>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>> multiple desktops.
> >>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>> 
> >>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> >>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> >>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
> >>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
> >>> near full before.
> >> 
> >> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
> >> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
> > 
> > Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> > semantic-desktop use flag set?
> 
> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> off the services after installing them.
> 
> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> space.
> 
> --Mike

the thing is - xfce does not necessarily use less ram. And semantic desktop 
can help him to easily find data points over a multitude of documents..,..

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 06:47 PM, Dale wrote:
> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
>> On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
>>>> Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
>>>>> On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>>>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
>>>>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>>>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
>>>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
>>>>>>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
>>>>>>>> near full before.
>>>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world.
>>>>>>> emerge
>>>>>>> -a --depclean. That should do it.
>>>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>>> Don't know, never happened here.
>>>>>
>>>> Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:
>>>>
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5
>>>> USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see if it works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
>>> Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
>>> I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
>>> it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.
>>
>> KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.
>>
>>
>
> Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me. If
> you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with it.

No, no manual way here.  I use meta packages too.  Just not kde-meta; 
that's the 
"includes-all-mega-duper-everything-mother-of-all-meta-packages" package.

Instead I use stuff like kdeartwork-meta, kdebase-meta, 
kdebase-runtime-meta, etc.  Emerging the actual packages all by hand 
would be too tedious.  I still need a few, but really just a few (and 
it's obvious which ones; for example if you have the Kate editor missing 
in KDE, you know you need to emerge kde-base/kate.)

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
>>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>>> desktops.
>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've got
>>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>>> full before.
>>>
>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>
>
> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> off the services after installing them.
>
> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space.

How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the 
whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
> >>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>>> multiple desktops.
> >>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> >>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> >>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
> >>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
> >>>> near full before.
> >>> 
> >>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
> >>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
> >> 
> >> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> >> semantic-desktop use flag set?
> > 
> > For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> > off the services after installing them.
> > 
> > Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> > he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> > space.
> 
> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.


he wrote:

> Thanks.  My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
size.  Some occasional sluggishness too.  It makes no sense to index any of
this, so ditching it feels good.

and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
>>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
>>>>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
>>>>>> near full before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>>
>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>
>>> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
>>> off the services after installing them.
>>>
>>> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
>>> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
>>> space.
>>
>> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
>> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
>
>
> he wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
> and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
> size.  Some occasional sluggishness too.  It makes no sense to index any of
> this, so ditching it feels good.
>
> and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.

I don't understand your reply or what it answers.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> >>> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
> >>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>>>>> multiple desktops.
> >>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
> >>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
> >>>>>> some dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.
> >>>>>>  I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was
> >>>>>> never near full before.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world. 
> >>>>> emerge -a --depclean.  That should do it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> >>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
> >>> 
> >>> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> >>> off the services after installing them.
> >>> 
> >>> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> >>> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> >>> space.
> >> 
> >> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
> >> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
> > 
> > he wrote:
> >> Thanks.  My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
> > 
> > and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
> > size.  Some occasional sluggishness too.  It makes no sense to index any
> > of this, so ditching it feels good.
> > 
> > and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.
> 
> I don't understand your reply or what it answers.

because you haven't read the thread before you wrote your email?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mike Edenfield]

On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.

Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't
really "want" KDE:

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> desktops. 

it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent
window manager will have.  Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources
than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch.

--Mike

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 07:57 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>>>>> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
>>>>>>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
>>>>>>>> multiple desktops.
>>>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
>>>>>>>> some dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.
>>>>>>>>   I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was
>>>>>>>> never near full before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.
>>>>>>> emerge -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>>>
>>>>> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
>>>>> off the services after installing them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
>>>>> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
>>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
>>>> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
>>>
>>> he wrote:
>>>> Thanks.  My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
>>>
>>> and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
>>> size.  Some occasional sluggishness too.  It makes no sense to index any
>>> of this, so ditching it feels good.
>>>
>>> and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.
>>
>> I don't understand your reply or what it answers.
>
> because you haven't read the thread before you wrote your email?

Yeah, I'm the one who suggested the OP needs semantic desktop even 
though he clearly stated he doesn't:

"It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good."

Perhaps it's a language barrier.  I'll state it in simpler words:  The 
OP does not want to index any of his files.  He wants to disable that 
functionality.  He has not indicated that he wants to switch from KDE to 
something else.

OK, another poster then showed up and suggested that he needs something 
other than KDE.  That didn't make any sense since the OP is using KDE 
and just wants the indexing stuff gone, which is what I pointed out. 
Then you come along with the statement as a reply to it:

"and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads."

which doesn't make any sense with the flow of the discussion.  Semantic 
desktop was invented for that, but the OP clearly stated he doesn't want it.

I am not the one who doesn't read the thread before writing my email.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/24/2010 08:12 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
>> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
>
> Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't
> really "want" KDE:
>
> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>> desktops.
>
> it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent
> window manager will have.  Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources
> than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch.

I have semantic desktop disabled and KDE offers a hell of a lot more 
than just a panel and a pager.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 08:32:17PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 08:12 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >
> >> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
> >> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
> >
> > Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't
> > really "want" KDE:
> >
> > On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >
> >> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need from
> >> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> >> desktops.
> >
> > it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent
> > window manager will have.  Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources
> > than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch.
> 
> I have semantic desktop disabled and KDE offers a hell of a lot more 
> than just a panel and a pager.
> 
> 

You're right. KDE does offer a lot more than just a pager and a panel with semantic desktop disabled, but the OP does state that all hee needs "is a panel with some favourites, and a pager for multiple desktops." Which pretty much any WM will give him.
Again, no one is telling him to switch, but suggesting that based on his needs, KDE might be overkill.

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:

> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
>>>>> from
>>>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>>>> desktops.
>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
>>>>> got
>>>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>>>> full before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>
>>>
>> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
>> off the services after installing them.
>>
>> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
>> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
>> space.
>>
>
> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the whole
> "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
>
>
>
Bingo!  I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things
are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to).  I know how to
find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just
silly.

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin O'Gorman <kogorman@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de>wrote:
>
>> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>>>>> important to me.  I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>>>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu.  All I need
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>>>>> desktops.
>>>>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>>>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>>>>> running out of disk space.  A little research showed that an
>>>>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>>>>> dotfiles.  It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.  I've
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>>>>> full before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf.  emerge -auDN world.  emerge
>>>>> -a --depclean.  That should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
>>>> semantic-desktop use flag set?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
>>> off the services after installing them.
>>>
>>> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
>>> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
>>> space.
>>>
>>
>> How do you know what he needs?  He probably wants KDE but without the
>> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
>>
>>
>>
> Bingo!  I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things
> are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to).  I know how to
> find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just
> silly.
>
> --
> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
>
> Oh, and I'll add that I have no use for KMail.  My mail is hosted elsewhere
in Zimbra, yahoo and gmail, depending on the kind of mail, and I'm satisfied
with the UIs that come with those.  I access them from a large number of
hosts, so don't want POP or similar access that makes local copies.

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:17:26 -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

> Bingo!  I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where
> things are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to).

I didn't bother adapting to it, I adapted it to me, you can switch back
to the old style menu.

> I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game
> records is just silly.

The strigi settings allow you to choose which directories are indexed, so
you could keep it running but exclude those game records.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Sir! Romulan warbird decloaki»®õ÷üÁ NO CARRIER

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Dale]

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:17:26 -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>> I know how to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game
>> records is just silly.
>>      
> The strigi settings allow you to choose which directories are indexed, so
> you could keep it running but exclude those game records.
>
>    

I ran across that setting while looking for something else.  I got it 
down to just my Documents folder.  There is not much in there so it is 
not to busy at all now.  It just barely blinks.  lol  It would be fun to 
watch it index my camera pics directory.  Over 160,000 pics so far.  I 
get camera happy at times.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:

> > Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> > he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> > space.
> 
> the thing is - xfce does not necessarily use less ram. And semantic desktop
> can help him to easily find data points over a multitude of documents..,..

I grew tired of strigi and virtuoso eating CPU all the time, so after a week 
or two of using KDE4 over KDE3 again (and perhaps staying this time), I 
disabled it.

XFCE, like many, if not all other alternatives, are GTK-based, and I just 
can’t stand the way GTK tools look and how they use up screen space. It’s very 
sad that there’s no alternative Qt-based WM out there any more.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Donnerstag 25 Februar 2010 schrieb Kevin O'Gorman:

> Bingo!  I'm OP, and kind of like the KDE look, and I'm used to where things
> are (except for the new K menu which I'm slowly adapting to).  I know how
> to find things already, but indexing my gigabytes of game records is just
> silly.

Well, you can always switch to classic view by right-clicking on the K.
I concur it’s a lot of "Klicki-bunti", as we say in Germany (bunt=colourful). 
The only usability plus for the new type is the input field, but that’s 
already covered by KRunner.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mateusz Mierzwiński]

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I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. Try
to set correct USE flags and first of all - add DBUS to default
runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen don't work - it works for me. You
should also have Hald for X.org configuration. 

BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. 

Chromium as major web browser, Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. 

Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!

It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software",
it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
"icons trashroom" on desktop.

Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
_check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4
folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.

At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 0:50 Alex Schuster wrote:

Kevin O'Gorman writes:

> As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT
this
> thread has gone?
> Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right
people
> will notice your thread....

But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because,
despite 
my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only
sane and 
obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would 
really really hate to do so.

KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had
some 
crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped 
working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the
complexity 
would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand
it 
is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the
same 
file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were
some 
problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I
experienced 
some bitrot.

Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most
of 
them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like, 
konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail
crashed 
even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little
annoying 
bugs would be fixed soon.

But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things
never 
really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before
I 
began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password
dialog 
stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*],
could not 
read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I
had 
become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail

clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this
meant 
some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords
back.

On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized
to the 
activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do,
to the 
locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I
really 
really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all.

Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me
considering 
your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific
problems.

[*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to
bed, but 
I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after
some 
lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same 
happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I
started 
the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I 
killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the
composing 
window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried
again, 
same result. Then I used thunderbird.
I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with

kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification 
windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not
sure 
what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the
wallet 
when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup. 
Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made
one 
day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I
could 
log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the 
.kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to
normal. 
And I could finally go to bed.

Wonko



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alex Schuster]

Mateusz Mierzwiński writes:

> I have KDE4. It work's perfect.

Whooo, now at least this sounds good!

> Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
> maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
> customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar.

I have:
CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of 
making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my 
bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this 
flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable?

And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says:
  The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os on
  arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, but not
  x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS.

About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about what -
march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says:
  For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or -msse2
  switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. For
  the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default.

So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it 
would change nothing.

> Try to set correct USE flags

They should be okay I think...

> and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen
> don't work - it works for me.

I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel.

> You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. 

Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that will be 
obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by 
xorg.conf only.

> BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
> for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
> because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
> and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. 

Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, 
with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, drag&drop and what else.
I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL.

> Chromium as major web browser,

I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. 
Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with 
some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' 
plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like 
Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour in 
the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to time 
Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile directory 
to make it start again.

Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few memory. 
And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while 
konquerro has major problems with it.

> Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
> as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
> OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. 

Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, Amarok 
(which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice.


> Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
> with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
> broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
> when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
> phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
> into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!

Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great. 

> It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software",
> it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
> "icons trashroom" on desktop.

I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still 
looks quite unfinished to me.
Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should recommend 
KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which makes 
some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts to 
FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain 
umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For the 
users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only, 
instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which sometimes 
does not work.

> Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
> _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4
> folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.

I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from scratch, 
except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of hours 
doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist.
BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops after this, when most 
things were set up again as I like them.
http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/2010-06-19/

And I recently switched from ~x86 to ~amd64, without a change in KDE4's 
behaviour.

Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most of 
them are really minor issues.

ANNOYING:

Plasma:

- The add plasmoids menu that opens above the panel is hard to access as 
it closes most often when I move the mouse into it.

- Moving a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktop is probably supposed 
to work (why else would the drag operation start at all?), but it makes 
plasma crash. Fortunately, it restarts automatically and things are as 
before, except for a minimized 'JavaEmbeddedFrame' application which I 
cannot restore or close. Whatever.

- The comic plasmoid refuses to show an increasing number of comics, and 
currently after login does not show any at all. And does not keep the size 
I give it.

- Moving and resizing plasmoids does not always work, they just plop back 
into their last position and size. After some tries, it finally works, but 
at the next login they are back to where they were sometimes.

Kontact:

- Sometimes complains at system startup that it is already running.

- Sometimes segfaults when closing, and does not start again until I kill 
it process manually.

- When adding a new contact, I sometimes cannot select an address book to 
store as the dialog shows none. Restarting kontact helps, but I have to 
fill out everything again.

- Probably related: all contacts sometimes all have the same information 
in them.

- Akonadi sometimes complains about missing resource agents when logging 
into KDE.

Kopete:

- Shows me as online, but is not. Probably related to hibernating, going 
offline and online again fixes this.

- Pressing the back / Forward button repeatedly and fast gives a message 
that I just received a message from that contact, and asks whether the 
chat sould really be cleared. Okay, I just pause a little (1/2 second) 
between each press, so it's no problem. But these things look to me as the 
authors of kopete did not try such things theirselves, or else they would 
have fixed them.

Kmail:

- Allows for multiple tabs, but then in these tabs new messages are not 
shown (only in the folder list). So, they added a nice feature, but to 
actually see new mails I have to close the tabs and select the folder 
again.

- I can not open a new tab when mails for an account are fetched.

- Attachements are sometimes saved with a size of 0. Bad if you do not 
check and realize this much later. has not happened for a while, it#s 
probably fixed, but I still check just in case.

- The 'g' key sometimes does nothing.

- Sometimes the mouse is not shown inside kmail.

- Sometimes checks IMAP folders but never stops, aborting doe snot help, 
needs to be restarted.

- Once showed a mail on gentoo-user with my address, but I was not the 
author of this message.

- Going offline while some move operation is still pending makes it hang.

- When searching large folders, a message appears telling me that first 
all messages of folder X have to be downloaded, and this will take some 
time. It appears for every folder (I surely had MANY of them), and the 'do 
not ask again' checkbox does not prevent this. So I spent a while 
accepting t

- kmail used to save messages I was composing, and the auto-save interbval 
is still set. But when it crashes, or even if I quit it regularly, it has 
forgotten about mails I was currently composing.

Konqueror:

- Also somtimes has no mouse cursor inside its window.

- Bookmark editor still crashes sometimes

- Sometimes shows a weird scrolling problem when scolling a page down 
works, but when dragging the slider only updates a few lines of pixels at 
the top. Opening the page in a new tab and closing the old one helps.

- When scrolling with the mouse wheel, it sometimes srolls to the right, 
too.

- Seldomly when scrolling a page down, it scrolls down and down until at 
the end of the page.

- Crashes fairly often, for example when scrolling in the shoutbox of a 
phpbb forum. I did not find such a forum with open access so I could not 
report this bug.

- In new tabs, the first click on a link sometimes does nothing.

- The saved session sometimes misses a window.

- The saved sessino sometimes shows tabs with old content, even older than 
when the session was saved.

- At session startup, I get the crash recovery dialog for some of the 
konquerors which were open when I logged out last time.

Dolphin:

- Sometimes shows artifats that look like the shape of the preview window, 
but show other parts of the desktop.

- Needs double logins for FTP .

- Sometimes does not update the display after uploading files via FTP.

- Does not allow to download files with umlauts via FTP (I have to do this 
regularly)

- Once sorted files like this: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt

Krunner (this Alt-F2 thing):

- Is really slow sometimes

- Currently crashes when I enter someting.

Misc:

- Knode once forgot all old messages.

- knotes shows the scrollbar only when the mouse is inside it, and changes 
the layout becausethe scrollbar needs additional space. Okay, really not a 
bad bug, but still it's a little annoying as things I want to mark move 
around when I enter the window.

- Konsole lets me select other profiles only after I enable them first in 
the profile dialog.

- kalgebra once did wrong calculations with large numbers. Fixed long ago, 
but these ar ethe kind of bugs I do not want to have. What use is a 
calculator, when I have do double check with another one just in case it 
is wrong again?

- KDE 3.5 had a nice print preview, but it seems there is none in KDE 4?

- Nepomuk once used several gigabytes for its database. Does no longer 
happen, but then this may be because it crashes before. When logging in to 
KD, strigi starts indexing, crashes after a minute, indexes the same 
folders again, crashes again, until it stops completely after some more 
crashes. At least now it crashes after a minute, with my old setup when I 
let it index my MP3s, it ran for days. So I have strigi desactivated.

- Saving a session often does not work correctly, so I never ever do this 
without making a backup of my .kde4 directory.

- The 'explosion' desktop effect when closing windows is nice, but also 
happens for the little display of current size and position that appears 
when moving a window around, and as such gets on my nerves. Yeees, this is 
really no big deal, but it's on my list of bugs anyway, and I think it 
shows that the KDE guys do not test or use these things much, or do not 
care much about it.

- I have the Windows key as modifier wor window stuff, instead of Alt. I 
can select Meta-Shift-Tab in order to switch backwards though windows, but 
it does not work. So I'm using Meta-Caps-Tab isntead for this.

- Some dialog windows of a specific application always open in the 
background, behind other windows. I checked the window settings, they are 
empty.

- After playing Quake3, the panel has black areas. Switching Composite off 
and on again (Alt-Shift-F12) usually fixes this. For other OpenGL 
applications like Nexuiz, I have to open another window manager on another 
X server, as this sometimes has the weirdest effecs to the KDE desktop.

- Amarok: Did not play streams, showed a corrupted collection for several 
times, sometimes just did not play, refused drag&drop, lost tags I had 
set, killed .ogg files when editing tags, took 7 minutes for startup... 
but these seem all to fixed.

- Automatic spell checking in applications like kmail or konqueror does 
not happen in KDE 4.4.4. You will find lots of typos in this mail that I 
would have corrected else. When still working, it had trouble with 
abbreviations which were always shown as errors, and it sometimes refused 
to add words to the custom dictionary.

- KsCD once did not find my CD-ROM. When I just wanted to test this again, 
Amarok starts checking the CD, and is very busy with that, for several 
minutes now. The information thingy in the tray shows 0/11 tasks, all with 
empty progress bars and no further information. Using the desktop got 
really slow, some mouse clicks took 20 seconds to take place, I 
accidentally removed the system tray while clicking around, and the system 
was so slow it took me a while to add the tray again, even after I ejected 
the CD. This is a good example of what I experience often: I do some 
something new, like inserting a CD, and weird things start to happen. But 
at least KsCD seems to work now. Oh, even though I closed KsCD and removed 
the CD, and I do not seem it in the system tray, it still eats up 10 % of 
my CPU power.

- Occasionally, the phonon sound system does not work. I get a message 
about this during login. Next login, all is fine again.

- And why is it not possible to save multiple marked files via drag&drop 
in ark?

REALLY ANNOYING:

- kontact crashes when started for a second time, which sometimes 
accidentally happens to me. Mails I was composing are lost.

- For two times, plasmoids were on the wrong desktop. As moving them 
around to other desktops / activities does not seem to be possible, I edit 
.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc directly to make them appear 
on their usual places.

- About once a day, only parts of the last active applications reacts to 
the mouse. Seems to happen in konqueror only. I can click links, but the 
menus do not work. When I kill it, the next allication which gets the 
input focus gets partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out, 
which is possible only via Ctrl-Alt-Del and waiting for 30 seconds, I 
cannot even confirm the logout requester. Okay, there's also Ctrl-Alt-
Shift-Del, whcih I just found out about. I thought this might be related 
to javascript, as it only happens in konqueror, so I turned it off, and it 
did not happen for two days, but then it did. Oh, and then it just 
happened again, while composing this mail. At least I can switch to this 
window and save this as draft. But this time Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work, I 
have to restart KDM.

- Back again. What happened some days ago was a corrupted KDE wallet, 
which made kwalletmanager not start. I got dozends of dialog windows from 
various applications like kmail or kopete, and additionaly lots of 
kwalletmanager crash windows.

- Longer ago I experienced a bug even worse. When the KDE password dialog 
was set to show three bullets per character, it did not work. I had no 
access to my wallet, could not use kmail, or access FTP locations with 
dolphin. Took me quite a while until I finally found out myself what 
setting was responsible for that. A total show stopper. The bug was fixed 
two months after it had been reported, which I find is quite a long time 
for such a serious bug.

That's most of it. I did not yet report too many of them yet, mostly 
because I thought the developers also use KDE and already know many, but 
then maybe they happen to few people only.

	Wonko
 

[1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags

[2] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-
Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:

> I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. 
> Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with 
> some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' 
> plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I
> like Konqueror's behaviour better.

I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on
more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its
kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable
feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down,  can see myself going back
to Konqueror.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly.
> > Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with
> > some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox'
> > plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I
> > like Konqueror's behaviour better.
> 
> I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
> tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on
> more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its
> kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable
> feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down,  can see myself going back
> to Konqueror.

I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't really 
tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites.  In terms of 
performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror not managing some 
Javascripts at all.

Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service?  I see in one of your 
screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alex Schuster]

Mick writes:

> On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote:

> > I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
> > tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works
> > on more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and
> > its kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the
> > inevitable feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down,  can see
> > myself going back to Konqueror.

I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's 
fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web 
shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now is 
mouse gestures.

> I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't
> really tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites.  In
> terms of performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror
> not managing some Javascripts at all.

Opera, this might also be an idea. I never used it much, only in some 
cases when Konqueror had problems with web pags.

> Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service?  I see in one of
> your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).

No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the 
Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk. 

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service?  I see in one of
> > your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
> 
> No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the 
> Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk. 


Correct.


Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk. 

Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact

nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:

> I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's 
> fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web 
> shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now
> is mouse gestures.

I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures.
I don't know how well they work.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Q. How many radical feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Two - one to change the bulb and one to write a book about the passive
role of the socket.

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[walt]

On 06/29/2010 07:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote:

> I have:
> CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3

Hm. I've never seen that flag before.  My k8 supports only sse2.

> AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of
> making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my
> bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this
> flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable?

I've never been able to see any difference, so I don't use omit-fp. But, the
main cpu-intensive app I use is gcc, and I admit I've never actually measured
the difference.

> Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for,

I agree completely, but the Software-As-A-Service paradigm is getting a lot
of attention from M$ *and* google as a more profitable alternative to selling
shrink-wrapped software like M$-Office. (M$ ran out of good ideas to persuade
people to buy new versions of Office many years ago, IMHO.)

When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the answer to
their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win.

I hate web-mail, and I always use pop3 or imap when I can, but I can't force
my employer to offer those services if they've decided that running a web-
mail server is cheaper.  I've tried many times, but I'm losing the battle.

If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years.  Will the
black hat hackers be unhappy about that?  Dunno, but I'd guess not.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!

[waltdnes]

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 06:04:59PM -0700, walt wrote

> When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the
> answer to their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win.

  The answer to that is Gnumeric/Abiword, unless MS/Google get them
outlawed.  OpenOffice (Bleagh) and KOffice (Bleagh) are bloated, but
some people still use them.

> If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years.
> Will the black hat hackers be unhappy about that?  Dunno, but I'd
> guess not.

  Hackers will be very happy and clients will be very vulnerable...
duhhhh, nice profitable company youse got there Mr. CEO.  It would be a
shame if something terrible should happen to your cashflow, like your
internet connection was killed by a backhoe, or a DDOS attack.  Now, for
only a few thousand dollars per month in protection, wese can see to it
that nothing terrible happens to your beautiful cashflow.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 30 June 2010 00:21:18 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service?  I see in one of
> > > your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
> > 
> > No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the
> > Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk.
> 
> Correct.
> 
> 
> Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk.
> 
> Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact
> 
> nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog.

At some point with KDE-4.4.4 I started getting errors from akonadi which 
mentioned nepomuke not having been registered with dbus or similar.  I then 
logged into KDE and switched off Nepomuke, errors went away (although I still 
get the akonadi progress bar coming up when I launch kmail).

I just started Kontact and looked at ps which showed that Nepomuke is running.  
So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched?
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote:

> So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched

Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some 
problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.          Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mick]

On 30 June 2010 10:30, Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote:
>
>> So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched
>
> Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some
> problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far.

Yes it does, just looked into it a bit more.  Starting Kmail as a
stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole KDE desktop)
launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs  akonadiserver, which
calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and this calls
/usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order).

Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start.  We're only
talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up
just before Kmail launches.  Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no
delays.

I'll be updating KDE on my old PIII laptop soon and would be
interested to see how long it takes on that Vs KDE-4.3.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:17:13 Mick wrote:

> Starting Kmail as a stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole
> KDE desktop) launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs 
> akonadiserver, which calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and
> this calls /usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order).
> 
> Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start.  We're only
> talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up
> just before Kmail launches.  Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no
> delays.

Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.          Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alex Schuster]

Neil Bothwick writes:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit,
> > it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even
> > has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm
> > missing most now is mouse gestures.
> 
> I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures.
> I don't know how well they work.

Oh my. Yes, I just checkt google's extension page, and there are about a 
dozen gesture extensions to choose from. While it's nice to have freedom 
of choice, I hate to try them all out and find the one which suits my 
needs best. Maybe I'll just try the top ranked one.

Same goes for Firefox.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Alex Schuster]

I wrote:

> Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most
> of them are really minor issues.

[58 KDE bugs]

I forgot two. kio_thumbnail does not seem to save the results, and scans 
folders again, causing loads of 20. And the password dialog when the 
screen was blanked does sometimes (under heavy load) not react. A solution 
is to enter Ctrl-Alt-F7, then the dialog is responsive again. Whatever.

But all this does not matter any more in any way, because all will be 
fixed soon, as I just see KDE 4.4.5 is in portage! Emerging it right now.

	Wonko