* [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
@ 2010-02-24 2:27 Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-24 2:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Kevin O'Gorman @ 2010-02-24 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any
of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.
The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running
out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing
called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out
to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and
there, but my /home partition was never near full before.
I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously
entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system,
although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games.
Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest.
Ideas?
--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-24 2:27 Kevin O'Gorman
@ 2010-02-24 2:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-24 3:38 ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-25 0:10 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2010-02-24 2:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from
> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and
> documentation toolchains or in a browser.
>
> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running
> out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing
> called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out
> to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and
> there, but my /home partition was never near full before.
>
> I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously
> entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system,
> although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games.
> Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest.
>
> Ideas?
just deactivate it.
But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just
needs 600mb...
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-24 2:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2010-02-24 3:38 ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-24 5:41 ` ubiquitous1980
2010-02-25 0:10 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Kevin O'Gorman @ 2010-02-24 3:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann <
volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> > important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> > I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from
> > any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> > desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and
> > documentation toolchains or in a browser.
> >
> > The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> running
> > out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing
> > called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns
> out
> > to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and
> > there, but my /home partition was never near full before.
> >
> > I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously
> > entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system,
> > although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games.
> > Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest.
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> just deactivate it.
>
> But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk
> just
> needs 600mb...
>
> Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate it.
I'll search around.
Thanks.
--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-24 3:38 ` Kevin O'Gorman
@ 2010-02-24 5:41 ` ubiquitous1980
2010-02-24 13:33 ` Kevin O'Gorman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: ubiquitous1980 @ 2010-02-24 5:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com <mailto:volkerarmin@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> > important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> > I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I
> need from
> > any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
> > desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and
> > documentation toolchains or in a browser.
> >
> > The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me
> from running
> > out of disk space. A little research showed that an
> odd-sounding thing
> > called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles.
> It turns out
> > to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space
> here and
> > there, but my /home partition was never near full before.
> >
> > I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm
> seriously
> > entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo
> system,
> > although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of
> their games.
> > Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest.
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> just deactivate it.
>
> But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And
> nepomuk just
> needs 600mb...
>
> Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate
> it. I'll search around.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
>
Kevin
To deactivate it:
System Settings > Desktop Search > [De-select] Enable Nepomuk Semantic
Desktop
In my case, on the same page, I disabled Strigi also.
Damien Sticklen
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-24 5:41 ` ubiquitous1980
@ 2010-02-24 13:33 ` Kevin O'Gorman
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Kevin O'Gorman @ 2010-02-24 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:41 PM, ubiquitous1980 <nixuser1980@gmail.com>wrote:
> Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> > <volkerarmin@googlemail.com <mailto:volkerarmin@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > > I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> > > important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> > > I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I
> > need from
> > > any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> multiple
> > > desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and
> > > documentation toolchains or in a browser.
> > >
> > > The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me
> > from running
> > > out of disk space. A little research showed that an
> > odd-sounding thing
> > > called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles.
> > It turns out
> > > to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space
> > here and
> > > there, but my /home partition was never near full before.
> > >
> > > I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm
> > seriously
> > > entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo
> > system,
> > > although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of
> > their games.
> > > Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest.
> > >
> > > Ideas?
> >
> > just deactivate it.
> >
> > But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And
> > nepomuk just
> > needs 600mb...
> >
> > Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate
> > it. I'll search around.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
> >
> Kevin
>
> To deactivate it:
>
> System Settings > Desktop Search > [De-select] Enable Nepomuk Semantic
> Desktop
>
> In my case, on the same page, I disabled Strigi also.
>
> Damien Sticklen
>
> Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of
this, so ditching it feels good.
For anyone else in the same boat, I would amend the instructions thus:
System Settings > Advanced > Desktop Search > [De-select] Enable Nepomuk
Semantic
Desktop
Again, thanks.
--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-24 2:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-24 3:38 ` Kevin O'Gorman
@ 2010-02-25 0:10 ` Alex Schuster
2010-02-25 2:07 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-03-01 16:08 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-02-25 0:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> > running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
> > odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
> > some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is.
> > I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was
> > never near full before.
> >
> > I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm
> > seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my
> > Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a
> > few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should
> > do about the rest.
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> just deactivate it.
>
> But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk
> just needs 600mb...
I had similar problems with KDE 4.2. And I wonder why strigi keeps
indexing some of my files every time log into KDE, which I am sure were
not changed in the meantime. But I do not notice this much, because Amarok
creates much more disk I/O before it crashes every time I log in. Then I
restart it, it scans for a while, and works then. Maybe I'll downgrade, or
I'll wait for an update, I got so used to Amarok I do not want to change.
That's my experience with KDE4. It's really nice, has cool features and is
getting better and better, but it's always many things which do not run
correctly. With every KDE update, some are fixed, and other problems
appear.
Problems that I had with 4.2 and still have with 4.4:
- Session saving sometimes does not work
- Kmail complains about running two times when started at login by a saved
session
- I get dialogs about crashed konqueror sessions I can restore
- kthumbnail thumbnails my files over and over again, two days ago I had a
load of 400
- Amarok: crashes, ogg file corruption, wrong playlists, sloow response
(sometimes I miss the first 1-2 seconds)
- many bundled plasmoids seem to be buggy
- Krunner is very nice, if only it would not crash so often or hang for
seconds, so that using the K menu is easier. Once I had to remove its
config file because it would not start at all.
- My additional Konqueror profiles do not appear in the file menu. I can
enable them, they are lost at next login.
- Under load the panel does not react well, clicks onto another desktop
take > 10 seconds to happen sometimes. Switching via hotkey is still fast.
- This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when I
open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the dictionary, I
always have to start at the very beginning and reply to all problems until
I get to the word I want it to learn. Oh, and it even has problems with
numbers like 4.2. This looks to me like the typical example of a nice
idea, but it's implemented so badly I just do not use it.
And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it
is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer
accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really
stable and usable.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-25 0:10 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-02-25 2:07 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-02-25 13:03 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 16:08 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2010-02-25 2:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thursday 25 February 2010 00:10:18 Alex Schuster wrote:
> This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when I
> open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the
> dictionary, I always have to start at the very beginning and reply to
> all problems until I get to the word I want it to learn.
You might like instead to try right-clicking on the word you want it to
learn. Sorry if eggs meet grandmothers here.
> Oh, and it even has problems with numbers like 4.2. This looks to me
> like the typical example of a nice idea, but it's implemented so badly
> I just do not use it.
I don't have any of these problems with kmail. It really is a first-rate
program.
--
Rgds
Peter.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-25 2:07 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2010-02-25 13:03 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-02-25 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Peter Humphrey writes:
> On Thursday 25 February 2010 00:10:18 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when
> > I open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the
> > dictionary, I always have to start at the very beginning and reply to
> > all problems until I get to the word I want it to learn.
>
> You might like instead to try right-clicking on the word you want it to
> learn. Sorry if eggs meet grandmothers here.
Nice! Did not see this as it only works if the word is not highlighted.
> > Oh, and it even has problems with numbers like 4.2. This looks to me
> > like the typical example of a nice idea, but it's implemented so
> > badly I just do not use it.
>
> I don't have any of these problems with kmail. It really is a
> first-rate program.
I like it, too, I'm using it for years now even if it crashed daily in
3.5.
Kmail was just an example, the spell checking probably works the same in
all KDE applications. And this is not a big problem at all, it's more of a
symptom of KDE4 things being not so well-tested yet.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-02-25 0:10 ` Alex Schuster
2010-02-25 2:07 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2010-03-01 16:08 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 18:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 20:34 ` Mick
1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-01 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alex Schuster wrote:
[KDE4 problems]
> And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes
> it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no
> longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to
> become really stable and usable.
And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along
those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting
it on the command line. So again I renamed the .kde4 directory and got one
from my last backup. The desktop came up, but kmail failed, due to akonadi
not finding its database. I thought it had to do with the mysql update so
I masked that one and tried to build an older version, but it did not
build. Now I see this was not the old version I had running, but something
in between.
Anyway, the problem was another one, I had to rebuild qt-sql.
I had some Qt blockers during the last @world update that the newest
portage did not resolve, so I did an emerge -1av $( qlist -I qt- ) - after
this, @world was updateable. Maybe this emerge -1 stuff was the problem, I
have no idea.
Then I wanted my last session back, as I had changed some things since the
last backup and I also wanted my konqueror sessions - no idea where those
are stored. So again I took the .kde directory (A) which was not working
and the one from the last backup (B), and moved files from B to A until A
was working again. And did so until I found which exact file was
responsible for plasma-desktop not running (it was share/config/plasma-
desktop-appletsrc).
I had to reboot many times, because when KDE4 was running and plasma
crashed, I had no way to log out adn had to restart the X server. And when
switching to a text console and back to the newly started X server, I get
an empty display on all consoles, probably due to the fglrx drivers. I
know that already, but as I did not got any other drivers to run, I am
stuck with ati-drivers. At least I have desktop effects and stuff running.
You can lose a lot of time with this. And I am wondering if KDE4 is the
right thing for me. On the one hand, I like it very much. And it is
getting better and better. I just discovered that I can tab windows, this
is soo cool.
On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this
time? And KDE4 is slow. That maybe another problem, something seems to be
wrong here, I'd expect the system to be faster, and not make any pauses
when emerge is running (niced to 19 and also ioniced). I do not want to
wait for seconds when switching desktops (sometimes its fast, sometimes
not).
Sorry for the whining,
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 16:08 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-01 18:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 19:07 ` Dale
2010-03-03 11:27 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 20:34 ` Mick
1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-01 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
> cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
> this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
> unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this
> time?
Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system
it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when
amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so
*slow*???
Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find
a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the
library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that
it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make
in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot
do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or
message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build
you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you
something in the status bar.
For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in
portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music-
playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external
players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your
music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts
and stays up.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 18:30 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-03-01 19:07 ` Dale
2010-03-01 19:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 11:27 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2010-03-01 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
>> cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
>> this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
>> unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this
>> time?
>>
> Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system
> it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when
> amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so
> *slow*???
>
> Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find
> a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the
> library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that
> it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make
> in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot
> do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or
> message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build
> you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you
> something in the status bar.
>
> For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in
> portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music-
> playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external
> players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your
> music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts
> and stays up.
>
>
And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is
to soon to remove KDE 3?
My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in,
try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it
starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I
have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to "rebuild"
whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything
else.
I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that
the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show.
Having them in random order sort of defeats the point.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 19:07 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-01 19:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 20:26 ` Dale
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-01 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote:
> And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is
> to soon to remove KDE 3?
To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE
framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok
devs to ship quality tested code.
Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct
reflection on Mozilla as a whole
>
> My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in,
> try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it
> starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I
> have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to "rebuild"
> whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything
> else.
>
> I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that
> the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show.
> Having them in random order sort of defeats the point.
My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens.
KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use
the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the
same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This
seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I
have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 19:22 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-03-01 20:26 ` Dale
2010-03-01 20:28 ` Mick
2010-03-03 15:48 ` Paul Hartman
2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2010-03-01 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote:
>
>> And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is
>> to soon to remove KDE 3?
>>
> To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE
> framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok
> devs to ship quality tested code.
>
> Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct
> reflection on Mozilla as a whole
>
>
This is true I guess. It is getting there but I still have to work
around problems. It's still missing things but it is getting more usable.
>
>> My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in,
>> try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it
>> starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I
>> have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to "rebuild"
>> whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything
>> else.
>>
>> I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that
>> the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show.
>> Having them in random order sort of defeats the point.
>>
> My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens.
> KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use
> the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the
> same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This
> seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I
> have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen.
>
>
I still have a single CRT monitor. The LCDs are getting cheaper tho.
Maybe they will fix or add the needed code for you to be able to do what
you want before to long. I'm not sure when the next set of updates are
coming out.
I never could get the kde layman to work right so I gave up on it. The
kde-sunset works fine tho. Weird.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 19:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 20:26 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-01 20:28 ` Mick
2010-03-01 21:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 15:48 ` Paul Hartman
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-03-01 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday 01 March 2010 19:22:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote:
> > And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is
> > to soon to remove KDE 3?
>
> To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the
> KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage
> the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code.
>
> Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct
> reflection on Mozilla as a whole
>
> > My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in,
> > try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it
> > starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I
> > have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to "rebuild"
> > whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything
> > else.
> >
> > I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that
> > the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show.
> > Having them in random order sort of defeats the point.
>
> My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens.
> KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just
> use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets
> must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there
> independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the
> box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it
> happen.
How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE,
xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but
it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for
preferring it over say fluxbox.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 16:08 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 18:30 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-03-01 20:34 ` Mick
2010-03-03 16:13 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-03-01 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
>
> [KDE4 problems]
>
> > And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes
> > it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no
> > longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to
> > become really stable and usable.
>
> And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along
> those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting
> it on the command line.
[snip ...]
> Sorry for the whining,
Nah! It's good to vent every now and then. :-))
Is it perhaps that you have a very complex/overloaded plasma set up? I've
updated KDE on two machines and went swimmingly well. On one machine I first
removed qt3 and then had no problems whatsoever. On the other I can't recall
what I did with qt3 ...
Other than that, I've noticed this sort of behaviour in the past with KDE2 and
KDE3 when I was trying to use KDE while major apps were being updated.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 20:28 ` Mick
@ 2010-03-01 21:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 23:17 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-01 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote:
> > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X
> > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want
> > it to just
> >
> > use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets
> > must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there
> > independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the
> > box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it
> > happen.
>
> How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box,
> LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage
> back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find
> a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox.
As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs
started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about last
xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in on the
action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton changes her
knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the next ... :-)
So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since.
e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's not
"like" anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are
twofold:
1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you
will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in
with image files.... e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write an
.edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, not
*how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and supply your
images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a mini-compiler to
produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme applied. It's not just
a simple "replace all those .pngs with these .pngs" to get a different set of
colours - you change the entire look and feel of the desktop and the engine
just knows what to do with it.
2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so,
including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist.
Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog
which improves things.
Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in
some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell some
cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM mobile
devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as minimalist as
*box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your needs, then nothing
else will come close, especially not e17 which is designed to showcase graphic
effects to a large degree. *box is the polar opposite of that
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 21:17 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-03-01 23:17 ` Mick
2010-03-01 23:22 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-03-01 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday 01 March 2010 21:17:23 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote:
> > > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X
> > > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I
> > > want it to just
> > >
> > > use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets
> > > must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running
> > > there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it
> > > out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that
> > > makes it happen.
> >
> > How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box,
> > LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage
> > back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find
> > a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox.
>
> As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs
> started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about
> last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in
> on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton
> changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the
> next ... :-)
>
> So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since.
>
> e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's
> not "like" anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are
> twofold:
>
> 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you
> will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in
> with image files.... e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write
> an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want,
> not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and
> supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a
> mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme
> applied. It's not just a simple "replace all those .pngs with these .pngs"
> to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel of
> the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it.
>
> 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so,
> including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist.
> Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog
> which improves things.
>
> Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in
> some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell
> some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM
> mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as
> minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your
> needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is
> designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar
> opposite of that
Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying
different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some
years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my
apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am trying
to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of
(minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see
what gives.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 23:17 ` Mick
@ 2010-03-01 23:22 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-01 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 01:17:06 Mick wrote:
> Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying
> different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some
> years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my
> apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am
> trying to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of
> (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see
> what gives.
I feel your pain :-)
I feel the same way about Gentoo - I've used just about everything else under
the sun for the work server, but on my personal machines (and the many tinker-
toys in the lab at work) I keep coming back to Gentoo. And I keep trying to
rebuild packages on Centos with the support I want, not what the dev thinks I
want.
USE truly does spoil a sysadmin ;-)
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 18:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 19:07 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-03 11:27 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-04-22 14:58 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-03 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alan McKinnon writes:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
> > cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
> > this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
> > unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in
> > this time?
>
> Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my
> system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that
> happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that,
> but why is it so *slow*???
Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder
from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down
my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a
minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save
my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I
also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I
can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first.
This does not feel right...
BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of
the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should
not take that much longer.
Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I
have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in
/data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my
collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in
/data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected.
> Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still
> can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4
> version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update
> tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It
> gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries
> to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that
> format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this.
Ah, this looks familiar, I ran into this, too.
> Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to
> get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something
> in the status bar.
I'm always using the newest version that is not hard-masked. with every
new version, some things get better, but others get worse. This delays and
startup times are new to me, but on the other hand I did not get any file
corruption for a long time.
I do not like the new toolbar though. Where are the stop, forward and back
buttons? And for the volume control I have to move the mouse in a circle
around it... or use the scroll wheel, okay. Nah, I liked it better the way
it was before.
> For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine
> (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of
> all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't
> do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And
> you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live
> with that. At least it starts and stays up.
Nice! But not for me. I like the wikipedia stuff. And tagging, now that it
seems to work. And what amarok is supposed to become. Yes, I like it much
better than the old amarok, it's just that things do not already work
fine. So I will keep suffering, until some day amarok will not do all the
annoying stuff it currently does. The day will come! Hopefully long before
they start coding amarok-3 and all gets worse again. I'll just have to
wait. And wait.
Thanks anyway for the tip, at least I can use clementine when I see that
amarok is not running yet and did not do its 7 minutes of scanning
already.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 19:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 20:26 ` Dale
2010-03-01 20:28 ` Mick
@ 2010-03-03 15:48 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-03 16:43 ` Alan McKinnon
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Paul Hartman @ 2010-03-03 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens.
> KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use
> the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the
> same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This
> seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I
> have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen.
Can you symlink Desktop-1 to Desktop? ( I only have 1 monitor and have
never tried this... so forgive me if it's a stupid idea)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-01 20:34 ` Mick
@ 2010-03-03 16:13 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-03 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick writes:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades,
> > along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also
> > when restarting it on the command line.
>
> [snip ...]
>
> > Sorry for the whining,
>
> Nah! It's good to vent every now and then. :-))
Thanks! <sniff>
> Is it perhaps that you have a very complex/overloaded plasma set up?
Not really.
I would like to, though, this stuff is actually quite nice. I changed my
setup to have a different activity for each desktop, and I like it. I hope
this stuff becomes more stable and usable soon. And I am missing features.
Why can't I tell a plasmoid to appear on several desktops / activities I
select, and not only on one? Why can't I insert another activity/desktop
between the ones I already have? At the moment, I think I would have to
close all plasmoids and re-open them on the new activity I want them to
be, this is annoying.
But again, I like the whole idea, it's only not perfect yet.
> I've updated KDE on two machines and went swimmingly well. On one
> machine I first removed qt3 and then had no problems whatsoever. On
> the other I can't recall what I did with qt3 ...
>
> Other than that, I've noticed this sort of behaviour in the past with
> KDE2 and KDE3 when I was trying to use KDE while major apps were being
> updated.
This might have been the problem. But I would not like to log out for
that, I just do the world updates from time to time when the machine has
not much else to do, but I like to keep my desktop session running.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 15:48 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2010-03-03 16:43 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-03 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 17:48:39 Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X
> > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want
> > it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons,
> > plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows
> > running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17
> > does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo
> > spell that makes it happen.
>
> Can you symlink Desktop-1 to Desktop? ( I only have 1 monitor and have
> never tried this... so forgive me if it's a stupid idea)
Dunno, I'm too scared to try :-)
I remember the devastation that occurred the last time I deleted
Desktop-1.....
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 11:27 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:30 ` stosss
` (2 more replies)
2010-04-22 14:58 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-03 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 13:27:45 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
> > > cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
> > > this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
> > > unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in
> > > this time?
> >
> >
> >
> > Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I think On my
> > system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that
> > happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that,
> > but why is it so *slow*???
>
> Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder
> from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down
> my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a
> minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save
> my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I
> also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I
> can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first.
>
> This does not feel right...
>
> BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of
> the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should
> not take that much longer.
>
> Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I
> have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in
> /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my
> collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in
> /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected.
I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing
function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself.
OTOH, that might just resurrect the mother of all threads we had recently -
the one about the pros and cons of nepomuk and semantic-desktop :-)
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-03-03 17:30 ` stosss
2010-03-03 20:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:32 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-03 17:54 ` Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: stosss @ 2010-03-03 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
> I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing
> function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself.
I think Amarok uses MySQL.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:30 ` stosss
@ 2010-03-03 17:32 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-03 19:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:54 ` Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Paul Hartman @ 2010-03-03 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing
> function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself.
AFAIK it is on the Amarok to-do list now that the speed is good enough
to replace mysql, but nobody has volunteered to take on the challenge
yet.
I think there's also the potential problem of users who don't install
or enable the indexing/semantic-desktop stuff might not be able to use
Amarok then...
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:30 ` stosss
2010-03-03 17:32 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2010-03-03 17:54 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-04 14:12 ` Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-03 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alan McKinnon writes:
> On Wednesday 03 March 2010 13:27:45 Alex Schuster wrote:
[RANT RANT RANT]
> > Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a
> > directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other
> > directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not
> > show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did
> > index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected.
I investigated this further. Amarok seems to look for all playlists below
/data/mp3, and then looks up all of their files. No idea why.
> I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk
> indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it
> itself.
Strigi also keeps indexing parts of my /data/mp3 stuff with EVERY login.
> OTOH, that might just resurrect the mother of all threads we had
> recently - the one about the pros and cons of nepomuk and
> semantic-desktop :-)
I am pro, I like it, but again it seems those things are not yet working
right. Strigi indexes stuff over and over again at every login. virtuoso-t
then also runs for a while and hogs resources. dbus-daemon uses 10-15
percent of CPU time according to top. Should it do this?
I enabled auto-login for KDE, so when I boot the system, at least things
are already indexed when I start working with it.
Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 17:32 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2010-03-03 19:56 ` Alan McKinnon
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From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-03 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 19:32:57 Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk
> > indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it
> > itself.
>
> AFAIK it is on the Amarok to-do list now that the speed is good enough
> to replace mysql, but nobody has volunteered to take on the challenge
> yet.
>
> I think there's also the potential problem of users who don't install
> or enable the indexing/semantic-desktop stuff might not be able to use
> Amarok then...
It could be a build-time option, giving the user a choice
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 17:30 ` stosss
@ 2010-03-03 20:01 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-03-03 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 19:30:56 stosss wrote:
> > I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk
> > indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it
> > itself.
>
> I think Amarok uses MySQL.
Amarok definitely uses MySQL, but that's the storage function, we are talking
about the search function.
It uses MySQL in the most brain-dead way anyone ever heard of, a way that no-
one in their right mind would consider even half-way sane.
It *requires* you to jump through interminable loops at build-time because it
wants, wait for it, shared embedded libraries. I mean, wtf? That's not
something MySQL was built to do. It's like having sex to preserve virginity
Then, to top it all, the Qt db libs get used wrongly too, causing the db to
... not work.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 17:54 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-04 14:12 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 20:12 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-04 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alex Schuster writes:
> Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change.
Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:)
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-04 14:12 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-09 20:12 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 21:07 ` Philip Webb
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-09 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alex Schuster wrote:
> Alex Schuster writes:
> > Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change.
>
> Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:)
But still they are not well. But you can safely ignore this if you don't
have KDE4 or are not interested in reading how things do not work, and how
I still use them. I have no good explanation for this, probably I keep
using KDE4 because it is so new and shiny, because I think that the time
must come when things actually DO work, and because I so not like to
switch to something else. There was never a time when ALL was working
fine, but at the moment I am even more disappointed then I used to be.
- Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago
showed one "address book" and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my
data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the "address book", and did
not use it for a while
Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. I
tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in
English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine,
now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the
country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany.
Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
Afghans perhaps. But it does not matter much, as I cannot store the data:
when I press the OK button, I get a dialog where I should select the
address book to store the data in, but the list is empty. Great. I tried
adding a new address book, now I have two entries called "address book"
and one called "personal contacts", still I cannot add an entry.
- Yesterday I tried the demo version of 'World Of Goo', a really nice
game. it runs in fullscreen, after ending it my panel was invisible, but
still working. At least turning the composite stuff off makes it visible.
I tried to switch the resolution with Ctrl-Alt-+/-, and indeed this made
the panel come back, but I could not switch the resolution back as it was
before. Before trying xrandr I hought I'd just start another session with
another window manager (via the K menu), and indeed I got the KDM screen,
but only because KDE had crashed. At the next login, I had to rearrange my
plasmoids because they were shiftwed to the left, probably due to the
lower resolution I had. Or something like that, as switching the
resolution should not change the virtual resolution. But in this case, I
could not scroll around to see the whole desktop. Well, whatever, I do not
dare to try this again.
- Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times
until I see the destination files.
- I just tried to listen to a CD, but KsCD does not find it. The eject
button ejects, but does not close the tray if pressed again. Okay. I just
thought I could play CDs with KDE. Can you?
- And I am currently editing a page in my wiki with konqueror, but after
the dialog appeared that I should save the edits, it sort of hangs. I can
reload the page, but cannot edit any more. The good thing is that I did
not edit that much yet. Which is also a bad thing, because when editing
longer parts I cop the text to the clipboard from time to time, just in
case something crashes. I'm doing this with this mail, too.
Hmm, looks like konqueror is still working just as usual, it's just it
does no display updates at all. It's the first time it happened, but as it
just happened while I was writing this rant, I thought I'd include it.
- Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music
from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And
dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok
is not KDE.
But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this
today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password
is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months after it had
been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to exist and is
fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it happens, much of
KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet, nothing that needs a
password works.
Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 20:12 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-09 21:07 ` Philip Webb
2010-03-11 9:25 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 21:52 ` Dale
2010-03-09 22:20 ` Mick
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Philip Webb @ 2010-03-09 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
100309 Alex Schuster wrote some time ago:
> Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change.
& today:
> But still they are not well.
I see 1 improvement & 2 regressions so far;
NB I don't use the desktop (that's Fluxbox), only some apps.
Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty
(yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font).
I've switched to Xterm for Mutt & may junk Konsole for user terminal too.
Gwenview shows a lot of silly little pictures plastered all over folders
& there seems to be no way of telling it not to.
Do I want a picture of Conrad Black in my big 'people' collection ? -- Yes.
Do I want to look at him every time I open Gwenview ? -- No !!
Gwenview has regained F2='rename', which it lost after KDE 3 , a plus.
Still no 'removed tiles' display in Kmahjongg,
so it's still KDE 3 for that & thank the gods for Gentoo making it easy.
Still no port of Ksokoban: apparently they can't decide what to name it.
--
========================,,============================================
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ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 20:12 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 21:07 ` Philip Webb
@ 2010-03-09 21:52 ` Dale
2010-03-11 14:22 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 22:20 ` Mick
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2010-03-09 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
>
> Wonko
>
>
I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still
using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but I
can't use it as root at all. So, I went back to Konqueror to edit
config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are
using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or
CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use.
I have to admit, I am sort of moving some things away from KDE. The way
KDE has done this change over has certainly left a bad taste in my
mouth. If they do KDE5 the same way, I will likely be switching to
something else. Heck, I may not be using KDE specific apps by then.
Smplayer for example will run on any DE as far as I know.
I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon.
KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after
dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users
they left hanging in the wind.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 20:12 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 21:07 ` Philip Webb
2010-03-09 21:52 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-09 22:20 ` Mick
2010-06-16 23:23 ` Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-03-09 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Alex Schuster writes:
> > > Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change.
> >
> > Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:)
>
> But still they are not well. But you can safely ignore this if you don't
> have KDE4 or are not interested in reading how things do not work, and how
> I still use them. I have no good explanation for this, probably I keep
> using KDE4 because it is so new and shiny, because I think that the time
> must come when things actually DO work, and because I so not like to
> switch to something else. There was never a time when ALL was working
> fine, but at the moment I am even more disappointed then I used to be.
>
> - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago
> showed one "address book" and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my
> data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the "address book", and did
> not use it for a while
> Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi.
Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and point it
to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address book, then
akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does not succeed it
will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix things manually (I've
posted how in an older thread of mine, where I managed to make akonadi to
succeed in its migration from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't
have mysql in this box. Let me know if you can't find it.)
> I
> tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in
> English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine,
> now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the
> country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany.
> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
> Afghans perhaps.
Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
> But it does not matter much, as I cannot store the data:
> when I press the OK button, I get a dialog where I should select the
> address book to store the data in, but the list is empty. Great. I tried
> adding a new address book, now I have two entries called "address book"
> and one called "personal contacts", still I cannot add an entry.
Try to get akonadi to complete its migration, or I think what you're trying to
do will not work.
> - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times
> until I see the destination files.
I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that the
connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine.
> - I just tried to listen to a CD, but KsCD does not find it. The eject
> button ejects, but does not close the tray if pressed again. Okay. I just
> thought I could play CDs with KDE. Can you?
Yes, although KsCD looks and feels pretty clunky.
> - And I am currently editing a page in my wiki with konqueror, but after
> the dialog appeared that I should save the edits, it sort of hangs. I can
> reload the page, but cannot edit any more. The good thing is that I did
> not edit that much yet. Which is also a bad thing, because when editing
> longer parts I cop the text to the clipboard from time to time, just in
> case something crashes. I'm doing this with this mail, too.
> Hmm, looks like konqueror is still working just as usual, it's just it
> does no display updates at all. It's the first time it happened, but as it
> just happened while I was writing this rant, I thought I'd include it.
Haven't noticed this.
> - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music
> from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And
> dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok
> is not KDE.
Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement which
won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse)
> But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this
> today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password
> is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months after it had
> been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to exist and is
> fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it happens, much of
> KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet, nothing that needs a
> password works.
Hmm ... no such problem over here.
> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
>
> Wonko
>
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 21:07 ` Philip Webb
@ 2010-03-11 9:25 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-12 1:59 ` Philip Webb
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-11 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Philip Webb writes:
> I see 1 improvement & 2 regressions so far;
> NB I don't use the desktop (that's Fluxbox), only some apps.
>
> Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something
> nasty (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different
> font). I've switched to Xterm for Mutt & may junk Konsole for user
> terminal too.
I noticed this when I started KDE 4.4 for the first time. It looked quite
different (and a little ugly), but somehow I got used to it.
> Gwenview shows a lot of silly little pictures plastered all over
> folders & there seems to be no way of telling it not to.
> Do I want a picture of Conrad Black in my big 'people' collection ? --
> Yes. Do I want to look at him every time I open Gwenview ? -- No !!
Those four thumbnails on each folder icon? I actually like these :)
> Gwenview has regained F2='rename', which it lost after KDE 3 , a plus.
So at least sometimes things improve :)
I don't use gwenview much. When I used it a while ago, browsing through
many photos, and rotating lots of them, it always crashed after a while,
after it hogged very much of my memory. Just retried that, problem's gone.
Hooray!
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 21:52 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-11 14:22 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-11 20:14 ` Dale
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-11 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Dale writes:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
> I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still
> using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but
> I can't use it as root at all.
Huh? No problem here.
OT: does anyone know about dolphin somehow accessing all files it shows? I
see this on a system that uses dolphin to browse remote files via the fish
protocol. Previews are not enabled, but all the files are accessed, which
means it takes about one hour until the directory is shown, because all
files are being retrieved from a SAM-FS server. Maybe it is reading the
magic number for each file? I will try konqueror now.
> So, I went back to Konqueror to edit
> config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are
> using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or
> CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use.
Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway - I
had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were swapped. BTW,
what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does not remember changes
like output path or file naming, I have to set this again for every CD.
But smplayer does not recognise the CD either. I wonder why I do not have
a /dev/cdrom device - only /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and
/dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking to /dev/sr0.
> I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon.
> KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after
> dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users
> they left hanging in the wind.
I also think KDE3 was dropped too soon. While KDE4 is usable now for most
things, it still has too many bugs, and a while ago it had many many more,
while development and bug fixing of KDE3 was already stopped.
On the other hand, manpower is limited, and I understand the decision to
focus on the new project rather than doing stuff for the old one that soon
noone will be using. KDE 3.5 is still there. I don't know about the
security issues, would it be unsafe now to use KDE 3.5? I remember
something about kpfd being masked due to security holes.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-11 14:22 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-11 20:14 ` Dale
2010-03-12 9:27 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2010-03-11 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale writes:
>
>
>> Alex Schuster wrote:
>>
>>> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
>>>
>
>> I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still
>> using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but
>> I can't use it as root at all.
>>
> Huh? No problem here.
>
> OT: does anyone know about dolphin somehow accessing all files it shows? I
> see this on a system that uses dolphin to browse remote files via the fish
> protocol. Previews are not enabled, but all the files are accessed, which
> means it takes about one hour until the directory is shown, because all
> files are being retrieved from a SAM-FS server. Maybe it is reading the
> magic number for each file? I will try konqueror now.
>
>
This is what I am talking about. Dolphin will browse through
directories but as soon as I click to open a text file, it gives a
error. I have discussed this on the kde list and it is a known
problem. One even said the code was written to prevent that but others
say it is just not fixed yet. So, I still use Konqueror just like I did
in KDE 3.
>> So, I went back to Konqueror to edit
>> config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are
>> using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or
>> CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use.
>>
> Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway - I
> had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were swapped. BTW,
> what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does not remember changes
> like output path or file naming, I have to set this again for every CD.
> But smplayer does not recognise the CD either. I wonder why I do not have
> a /dev/cdrom device - only /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and
> /dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking to /dev/sr0.
>
>
>
I have used tkdvd to burn a DVD. It ain't pretty but it worked. ;-)
>> I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon.
>> KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after
>> dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users
>> they left hanging in the wind.
>>
> I also think KDE3 was dropped too soon. While KDE4 is usable now for most
> things, it still has too many bugs, and a while ago it had many many more,
> while development and bug fixing of KDE3 was already stopped.
> On the other hand, manpower is limited, and I understand the decision to
> focus on the new project rather than doing stuff for the old one that soon
> noone will be using. KDE 3.5 is still there. I don't know about the
> security issues, would it be unsafe now to use KDE 3.5? I remember
> something about kpfd being masked due to security holes.
>
> Wonko
>
>
I understand the second hand but it still leaves the users out in the
cold. I'm hoping the release of KDE 5 will be handled better but I'm
not holding my breath.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-11 9:25 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-03-12 1:59 ` Philip Webb
2010-03-12 6:59 ` Mick
2010-03-12 10:19 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Philip Webb @ 2010-03-12 1:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
100311 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Philip Webb writes:
>> Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty
>> (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font).
>> I've switched to Xterm for Mutt & may junk Konsole for user terminal too.
> I noticed this when I started KDE 4.4 for the first time.
> It looked quite different & a bit ugly, but somehow I got used to it.
Further experience showed that Xterm's standard font doesn't do Unicode
& mouse-scroll doesn't work in Most etc, so I've gone back to Konsole
& settled on a tolerable font in 'fixed misc' at size 13 .
> I don't use gwenview much. When I used it browsing many photos
> and rotating lots of them, it always crashed after a while,
> after it hogged very much of my memory.
> Just retried that, problem's gone. Hooray!
Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now
& the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally.
Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) & Feh (thumbnail view)
to browse around & Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures.
--
========================,,============================================
SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-12 1:59 ` Philip Webb
@ 2010-03-12 6:59 ` Mick
2010-03-12 10:19 ` Neil Bothwick
1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-03-12 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Friday 12 March 2010 01:59:19 Philip Webb wrote:
> Further experience showed that Xterm's standard font doesn't do Unicode
> & mouse-scroll doesn't work in Most etc, so I've gone back to Konsole
> & settled on a tolerable font in 'fixed misc' at size 13 .
I haven't been able to configure either xterm or aterm/rxvt to be able to
scroll with the mouse inside less/most/man pages etc. I think that this is a
konsole feature only - please share if anyone has found a way of doing this in
other than konsole terminals.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-11 20:14 ` Dale
@ 2010-03-12 9:27 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-03-12 9:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Dale writes:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Dale writes:
> >> I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still
> >> using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all
> >> but I can't use it as root at all.
> >
> > Huh? No problem here.
[...]
> This is what I am talking about. Dolphin will browse through
> directories but as soon as I click to open a text file, it gives a
> error. I have discussed this on the kde list and it is a known
> problem. One even said the code was written to prevent that but others
> say it is just not fixed yet. So, I still use Konqueror just like I
> did in KDE 3.
This is also working here, a click opens the file in kwrite.
> >> So, I went back to Konqueror to edit
> >> config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you
> >> are using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do
> >> movies or CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use.
> >
> > Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway -
> > I had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were
> > swapped. BTW, what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does
> > not remember changes like output path or file naming, I have to set
> > this again for every CD. But smplayer does not recognise the CD
> > either. I wonder why I do not have a /dev/cdrom device - only
> > /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and /dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking
> > to /dev/sr0.
>
> I have used tkdvd to burn a DVD. It ain't pretty but it worked. ;-)
Oh, K3b is fine for burning, never had a problem with that. It's the
ripping that could be better, and the audio playing that does not work at
all.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-12 1:59 ` Philip Webb
2010-03-12 6:59 ` Mick
@ 2010-03-12 10:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-12 15:32 ` Paul Hartman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2010-03-12 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:59:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now
> & the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally.
> Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) & Feh (thumbnail view)
> to browse around & Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures.
I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try.
--
Neil Bothwick
Is there another word for synonym?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-12 10:19 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2010-03-12 15:32 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-13 11:15 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Paul Hartman @ 2010-03-12 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:59:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>
>> Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now
>> & the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally.
>> Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) & Feh (thumbnail view)
>> to browse around & Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures.
>
> I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try.
gqview is obsolete, geeqie is the modern version under active development.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-12 15:32 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2010-03-13 11:15 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2010-03-13 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:32:04 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote:
> > I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try.
>
> gqview is obsolete, geeqie is the modern version under active
> development.
I hadn't realised gqview development had stopped, thanks for the pointer.
I like the way geeqie doesn't try to display both the JPEG and RAW
versions of the same photo.
--
Neil Bothwick
I spilled Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-03 11:27 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-03 16:49 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-04-22 14:58 ` Alex Schuster
1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-04-22 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
I wrote:
> Alan McKinnon writes:
> > On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
[...]
> > > solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being
> > > very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it
> > > doing in this time?
> >
> > Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On
> > my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates
> > that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue
> > that, but why is it so *slow*???
>
> Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder
> from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows
> down my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for
> about a minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So
> when I save my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before
> that. Of course, I also have to remember to start amarok some time
> after I logged in, so I can play music when I want without having to
> wait 7 minutes first.
>
> This does not feel right...
>
> BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date
> of the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan
> should not take that much longer.
>
> Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory
> I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories
> in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my
> collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in
> /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected.
More precisely: Amarok scans folders not selected as collection for *.m3u
playlists, and looks up their files. I had reported this in [*], and got
some responses, but no solution or even confirmation. But today I emerged
Amarok 2.3.0.90, and startup time went from 7 minutes to around half a
minute now, so this bug seems to be fixed.
Wonko
[*] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229239
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-03-09 22:20 ` Mick
@ 2010-06-16 23:23 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-17 13:31 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-16 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Oh my. Trying again. I already started a reply months ago, but kontact
crashed, and I lost it. I started again, ranted about KDE4, tried to open
systemsettings in order to check Mick's suggestions, but I misclicked and
hit kontact, which is directly below in my favorite list. Of course,
starting kontact under KDE4 does not open a 2nd instance of the program,
or gives a warning that I am about to start another instance which I
should not do, no, it just makes the running kontact crash.
And again, the mail is gone. BTW, in the past that was no problem, kmail
saved the drafts every two minutes (this is still configured that way in
its settings), but this does not work. Even if I close if the regular way,
unfinished mails are gone.
So I started for the third time, this time in thunderbird on a Windows
mchine. And from time to time I marked the text and put it into the
clipboard. I'm doing this with every longer mail now. I saved the mail as
draft, and went to my Linxu machine where I resumed the edit. I wanted to
try something and went into the import menu: Crash! Good thing
the Windows Clipboard still had it.
Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
>> - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a
>> year ago showed one "address book" and many std.vcf (or similar) files,
>> with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the "address
>> book", and did not use it for a while
>> Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi.
>
> Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and
> point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address
> book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does
> not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix
> things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I
> managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local
> resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me
> know if you can't find it.)
I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several .vcf
files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to copy that
directory, as the file chooser did not show directories starting with a
dot.
Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a file-
resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were identical. Again,
nothing happened.
But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it
did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the
problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of
the log.
And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive,
but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and
if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to
it (the subject would be enough).
>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message
>> in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact.
>> Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the
>> location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change
>> this to Germany.
>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
>> Afghans perhaps.
>
> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
Yes, it's set like that.
>> - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several
>> times until I see the destination files.
>
> I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that
> the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine.
Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is not
updated when I dragged files via FTP.
Other current dolphin problems:
- Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup.
- The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi,
Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt
- When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd like
one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next time the
session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too. There is an option
to remember every folder's view, but every time I open a new folder, it
opens in symbol view first, not in the current view of the upper folder.
>> - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music
>> from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And
>> dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know,
>> Amarok is not KDE.
>
> Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement
> which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse)
It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30 seconds
instead of 7 minutes.
Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok.
>> But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this
>> today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the
>> password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months
>> after it had been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to
>> exist and is fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it
>> happens, much of KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet,
>> nothing that needs a password works.
>>
> Hmm ... no such problem over here.
Had you set the password dialog to show 3 bullets for each key pressed?
Another pretty bad thing that happened: Once when I started kontact, it
showed me a birthday I had forgotten, two days AFTER the birthday
It did not bother to remind me the days before when kontact was runing all
the time. Now, what's the purpose of an organizer when you cannot trust it
to show appointments? Good thing I don't use it much.
>> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
Still thinking about dumping it. The current most annoying bug is that
about once a day the mouse stops working. I can move it, xeyes keeps
watching it, and sometimes I can still use it inside a part of klast
active window. But for nothing else. So I have to log out and back in
again.
I'm not sure what the problem is, it happened after I updated to
kde-4.4.3, xorg-1.7 and ati-drivers 10.4. Downgrading ati-drivers did not
help, downgrading xorg did not succeed, I got compilation errors and gave
up, as I suspect that it's KDE itself. But a downgrade to 4.4.2 would take
a while, and I'd expect that alll hell might breake loose if I let this
older version mess with my current .kde4 directory.
I hoped that a reinstall (because switching to a 64 bit OS) would
magically solve this, but it didn't. I tried to kill and restart kwin and
plasma-desktop, this did not help.
Current list of other, but not so bad problems:
- Konquerer used to ask if I really want to close it, or just the current
tab. Not since 4.4.4.
- Ark cannot save all selected files via drag&drop, only one. And then it
opens the home folder with dolphin, not the destination folder.
- Automatic spell checking no longer happens in kmail or konqueror.
- Session saving sometimes fails. I always back up my .kde4 before I dare
this.
- Once my activities were on the wrong desktops, it took me a while until
I had thinsg back as they should be.
- Konqueror crashes a lot.
- And every login the dialog comes up telling me that konqueror crashed,
unless I quit every running instance before logging out of KDE.
- Konsole profiles show up in the menu only after I activated them in the
profile dialog. Some of the things I have to repeat after every login into
KDE.
- Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and again
and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I re-activate
it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And so on.
Wonko
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Test 4: ERROR
--------
MySQL server log contains errors.
Details: The MySQL server error log file '<a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err</a>' contains errors.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err':
100608 9:33:33 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 6080335
100608 9:33:35 [Warning] Can't open and lock time zone table: Table 'mysql.time_zone_leap_second' doesn't exist trying to live without them
100608 9:33:35 [ERROR] Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist
100608 9:33:35 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: ready for connections.
Version: '5.1.46-log' socket: '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket' port: 0 Gentoo Linux mysql-5.1.46
Test 14: ERROR
--------
No resource agents found.
Details: No resource agents have been found, Akonadi is not usable without at least one. This usually means that no resource agents are installed or that there is a setup problem. The following paths have been searched: '/usr/share/akonadi/agents /usr/share/akonadi/agents'. The XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share', make sure this includes all paths where Akonadi agents are installed to.
Directory listing of '/usr/share/akonadi/agents':
birthdaysresource.desktop
contactsresource.desktop
icalresource.desktop
imapresource.desktop
kabcresource.desktop
kcalresource.desktop
knutresource.desktop
kolabproxyresource.desktop
localbookmarksresource.desktop
maildirresource.desktop
maildispatcheragent.desktop
mboxresource.desktop
microblog.desktop
mtdummyresource.desktop
nepomukcalendarfeeder.desktop
nepomukcontactfeeder.desktop
nepomuktagresource.desktop
nntpresource.desktop
notesresource.desktop
pop3resource.desktop
vcarddirresource.desktop
vcardresource.desktop
Directory listing of '/usr/share/akonadi/agents':
birthdaysresource.desktop
contactsresource.desktop
icalresource.desktop
imapresource.desktop
kabcresource.desktop
kcalresource.desktop
knutresource.desktop
kolabproxyresource.desktop
localbookmarksresource.desktop
maildirresource.desktop
maildispatcheragent.desktop
mboxresource.desktop
microblog.desktop
mtdummyresource.desktop
nepomukcalendarfeeder.desktop
nepomukcontactfeeder.desktop
nepomuktagresource.desktop
nntpresource.desktop
notesresource.desktop
pop3resource.desktop
vcarddirresource.desktop
vcardresource.desktop
Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
Test 16: ERROR
--------
Previous Akonadi server error log found.
Details: The Akonadi server did report error during its previous startup into <a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old</a>.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old':
D-Bus session bus went down - quitting
Test 18: ERROR
--------
Previous Akonadi control error log found.
Details: The Akonadi control process did report error during its previous startup into <a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old</a>.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old':
D-Bus session bus went down - quitting
ata or log files.
InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11
InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process
InnoDB: using the same InnoDB data or log files.
[...]
100412 20:35:01 InnoDB: Unable to open the first data file
InnoDB: Error in opening ./ibdata1
100412 20:35:01 InnoDB: Operating system error number 11 in a file operation.
InnoDB: Error number 11 means 'Resource temporarily unavailable'.
InnoDB: Some operating system error numbers are described at
InnoDB: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/operating-system-error-codes.html
InnoDB: Could not open or create data files.
InnoDB: If you tried to add new data files, and it failed here,
InnoDB: you should now edit innodb_data_file_path in my.cnf back
InnoDB: to what it was, and remove the new ibdata files InnoDB created
InnoDB: in this failed attempt. InnoDB only wrote those files full of
InnoDB: zeros, but did not yet use them in any way. But be careful: do not
InnoDB: remove old data files which contain your precious data!
100412 20:35:01 [ERROR] Plugin 'InnoDB' init function returned error.
100412 20:35:01 [ERROR] Plugin 'InnoDB' registration as a STORAGE ENGINE failed.
100412 20:35:01 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb
100412 20:35:01 [ERROR] Aborting
100412 20:35:01 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete
Test 14: ERROR
--------
Current Akonadi server error log found.
Details: The Akonadi server did report error during startup into <a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error</a>.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':
Database error: Cannot open database.
Last driver error: "QMYSQL: Unable to connect"
Last database error: "Can't initialize character set utf8 (path: /usr/share/mysql/charsets/)"
[...]
Test 15: ERROR
--------
Previous Akonadi server error log found.
Details: The Akonadi server did report error during its previous startup into <a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old</a>.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.old':
D-Bus session bus is not available!
"[
0: akonadiserver(_Z11akBacktracev+0x35) [0x80526e5]
1: akonadiserver() [0x8052c6c]
2: [0xffffe400]
3: [0xffffe424]
4: /lib/libc.so.6(gsignal+0x50) [0xb6e1b860]
5: /lib/libc.so.6(abort+0x185) [0xb6e1d095]
6: /usr/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4(_Z17qt_message_output9QtMsgTypePKc+0x9d) [0xb7481eed]
]
"
Test 17: ERROR
--------
Previous Akonadi control error log found.
Details: The Akonadi control process did report error during its previous startup into <a href='/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old'>/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old</a>.
File content of '/home/wonko/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error.old':
D-Bus session bus went down - quitting
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-16 23:23 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-06-17 13:31 ` Mick
2010-06-19 19:03 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-06-17 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
$ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
/usr/local/share:/usr/share
in your logs is shows:
Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
'/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up?
On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
[snip ...]
> Mick wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
>
>>> - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a
>>> year ago showed one "address book" and many std.vcf (or similar) files,
>>> with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the "address
>>> book", and did not use it for a while
>>> Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi.
>>
>> Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and
>> point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address
>> book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does
>> not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix
>> things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I
>> managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local
>> resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me
>> know if you can't find it.)
>
> I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several .vcf
> files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to copy that
> directory, as the file chooser did not show directories starting with a
> dot.
> Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a file-
> resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were identical. Again,
> nothing happened.
>
> But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it
> did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the
> problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of
> the log.
Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your
akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).
> And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive,
> but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and
> if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to
> it (the subject would be enough).
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044
but this was about me being able to run the akonadi migration without
having to install mysql. I used sqlite instead. Have a look at the
file I refer to anyway, just in case something is amiss in there.
>>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message
>>> in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact.
>>> Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the
>>> location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change
>>> this to Germany.
>>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
>>> Afghans perhaps.
>>
>> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
>
> Yes, it's set like that.
Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this
affects it?
>>> - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several
>>> times until I see the destination files.
>>
>> I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that
>> the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine.
>
> Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is not
> updated when I dragged files via FTP.
> Other current dolphin problems:
> - Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup.
> - The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi,
> Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt
> - When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd like
> one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next time the
> session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too. There is an option
> to remember every folder's view, but every time I open a new folder, it
> opens in symbol view first, not in the current view of the upper folder.
These could all be bugs with dolphin. I've had different problems
with it on 3 Gentoo boxen + 1 Ubuntu.
>>> - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music
>>> from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And
>>> dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know,
>>> Amarok is not KDE.
>>
>> Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement
>> which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse)
>
> It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30 seconds
> instead of 7 minutes.
> Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok.
I had a go at Clementine, but if I recall correctly it wasn't friendly
with shoutcast streams.
>>> But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this
>>> today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the
>>> password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months
>>> after it had been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to
>>> exist and is fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it
>>> happens, much of KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet,
>>> nothing that needs a password works.
>>>
>> Hmm ... no such problem over here.
>
> Had you set the password dialog to show 3 bullets for each key pressed?
>
> Another pretty bad thing that happened: Once when I started kontact, it
> showed me a birthday I had forgotten, two days AFTER the birthday
> It did not bother to remind me the days before when kontact was runing all
> the time. Now, what's the purpose of an organizer when you cannot trust it
> to show appointments? Good thing I don't use it much.
>
>
>>> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
>
> Still thinking about dumping it. The current most annoying bug is that
> about once a day the mouse stops working. I can move it, xeyes keeps
> watching it, and sometimes I can still use it inside a part of klast
> active window. But for nothing else. So I have to log out and back in
> again.
> I'm not sure what the problem is, it happened after I updated to
> kde-4.4.3, xorg-1.7 and ati-drivers 10.4. Downgrading ati-drivers did not
> help, downgrading xorg did not succeed, I got compilation errors and gave
> up, as I suspect that it's KDE itself. But a downgrade to 4.4.2 would take
> a while, and I'd expect that alll hell might breake loose if I let this
> older version mess with my current .kde4 directory.
> I hoped that a reinstall (because switching to a 64 bit OS) would
> magically solve this, but it didn't. I tried to kill and restart kwin and
> plasma-desktop, this did not help.
>
> Current list of other, but not so bad problems:
> - Konquerer used to ask if I really want to close it, or just the current
> tab. Not since 4.4.4.
> - Ark cannot save all selected files via drag&drop, only one. And then it
> opens the home folder with dolphin, not the destination folder.
> - Automatic spell checking no longer happens in kmail or konqueror.
> - Session saving sometimes fails. I always back up my .kde4 before I dare
> this.
> - Once my activities were on the wrong desktops, it took me a while until
> I had thinsg back as they should be.
> - Konqueror crashes a lot.
> - And every login the dialog comes up telling me that konqueror crashed,
> unless I quit every running instance before logging out of KDE.
> - Konsole profiles show up in the menu only after I activated them in the
> profile dialog. Some of the things I have to repeat after every login into
> KDE.
> - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and again
> and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I re-activate
> it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And so on.
You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?
BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
--
Regards,
Mick
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-17 13:31 ` Mick
@ 2010-06-19 19:03 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-19 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick writes:
> Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
>
> $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
> /usr/local/share:/usr/share
>
> in your logs is shows:
>
> Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
> '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
>
> Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up?
>
> On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> [snip ...]
>
> > Mick wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
> >>> - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a
> >>> year ago showed one "address book" and many std.vcf (or similar)
> >>> files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the
> >>> "address book", and did not use it for a while
> >>> Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with
> >>> akonadi.
> >>
> >> Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and
> >> point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the
> >> address book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration -
> >> if it does not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may
> >> need to fix things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of
> >> mine, where I managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration
> >> from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in
> >> this box. Let me know if you can't find it.)
> >
> > I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several
> > .vcf files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to
> > copy that directory, as the file chooser did not show directories
> > starting with a dot.
> > Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a
> > file- resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were
> > identical. Again, nothing happened.
> >
> > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I
> > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably
> > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached
> > the error parts of the log.
>
> Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your
> akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).
>
> > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user
> > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help
> > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if
> > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044
>
> but this was about me being able to run the akonadi migration without
> having to install mysql. I used sqlite instead. Have a look at the
> file I refer to anyway, just in case something is amiss in there.
>
> >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error
> >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have to
> >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I
> >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I
> >>> always have to change this to Germany.
> >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
> >>> Afghans perhaps.
> >>
> >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
> >
> > Yes, it's set like that.
>
> Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this
> affects it?
>
> >>> - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process
> >>> several times until I see the destination files.
> >>
> >> I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying
> >> that the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it
> >> connects fine.
> >
> > Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is
> > not updated when I dragged files via FTP.
> > Other current dolphin problems:
> > - Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup.
> > - The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi,
> > Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt
> > - When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd
> > like one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next
> > time the session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too.
> > There is an option to remember every folder's view, but every time I
> > open a new folder, it opens in symbol view first, not in the current
> > view of the upper folder.
>
> These could all be bugs with dolphin. I've had different problems
> with it on 3 Gentoo boxen + 1 Ubuntu.
>
> >>> - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play
> >>> music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes
> >>> it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah,
> >>> I know, Amarok is not KDE.
> >>
> >> Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice
> >> replacement which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse)
> >
> > It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30
> > seconds instead of 7 minutes.
> > Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok.
>
> I had a go at Clementine, but if I recall correctly it wasn't friendly
> with shoutcast streams.
>
> >>> But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about
> >>> this today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if
> >>> the password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two
> >>> months after it had been reported, this serious bug was at least
> >>> confirmed to exist and is fixed now. Maybe this bug happens
> >>> seldomly, but when it happens, much of KDE4 is unusable, as you
> >>> have no kmail, no kwallet, nothing that needs a password works.
> >>
> >> Hmm ... no such problem over here.
> >
> > Had you set the password dialog to show 3 bullets for each key
> > pressed?
> >
> > Another pretty bad thing that happened: Once when I started kontact,
> > it showed me a birthday I had forgotten, two days AFTER the birthday
> > It did not bother to remind me the days before when kontact was
> > runing all the time. Now, what's the purpose of an organizer when
> > you cannot trust it to show appointments? Good thing I don't use it
> > much.
> >
> >>> Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now?
> >
> > Still thinking about dumping it. The current most annoying bug is
> > that about once a day the mouse stops working. I can move it, xeyes
> > keeps watching it, and sometimes I can still use it inside a part of
> > klast active window. But for nothing else. So I have to log out and
> > back in again.
> > I'm not sure what the problem is, it happened after I updated to
> > kde-4.4.3, xorg-1.7 and ati-drivers 10.4. Downgrading ati-drivers did
> > not help, downgrading xorg did not succeed, I got compilation errors
> > and gave up, as I suspect that it's KDE itself. But a downgrade to
> > 4.4.2 would take a while, and I'd expect that alll hell might breake
> > loose if I let this older version mess with my current .kde4
> > directory.
> > I hoped that a reinstall (because switching to a 64 bit OS) would
> > magically solve this, but it didn't. I tried to kill and restart kwin
> > and plasma-desktop, this did not help.
> >
> > Current list of other, but not so bad problems:
> > - Konquerer used to ask if I really want to close it, or just the
> > current tab. Not since 4.4.4.
> > - Ark cannot save all selected files via drag&drop, only one. And
> > then it opens the home folder with dolphin, not the destination
> > folder. - Automatic spell checking no longer happens in kmail or
> > konqueror. - Session saving sometimes fails. I always back up my
> > .kde4 before I dare this.
> > - Once my activities were on the wrong desktops, it took me a while
> > until I had thinsg back as they should be.
> > - Konqueror crashes a lot.
> > - And every login the dialog comes up telling me that konqueror
> > crashed, unless I quit every running instance before logging out of
> > KDE. - Konsole profiles show up in the menu only after I activated
> > them in the profile dialog. Some of the things I have to repeat
> > after every login into KDE.
> > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and
> > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I
> > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And
> > so on.
>
> You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?
That's what I do. But I'd like to use those desktop indexing features.
>
> BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much
work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not
everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.
Impressions:
Some things are indeed fixed.
- Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a
window with multiple tabs.
- Dolphin no longer opens maximized.
- Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting
files.
- Akonadi starts without errors!
Problems that still happen:
- Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeates a cuple of
times, then exits.
- Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts.
- Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they
show up in the menu.
- Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system
just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.
- Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing,
a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.
- Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes
plasma.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
@ 2010-06-19 20:23 Alex Schuster
2010-06-20 15:52 ` Kevin O'Gorman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-19 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some
empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes
experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I
move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys
like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while.
Mick writes:
> Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
>
> $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
> /usr/local/share:/usr/share
>
> in your logs is shows:
>
> Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
> '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
>
> Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up?
Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup.
> On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> [snip ...]
>
> > Mick wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I
> > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably
> > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached
> > the error parts of the log.
>
> Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your
> akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).
This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it
off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error.
> > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user
> > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help
> > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if
> > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044
Thanks! Now I remember reading it.
> >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error
> >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have to
> >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I
> >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I
> >>> always have to change this to Germany.
> >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
> >>> Afghans perhaps.
> >>
> >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
> >
> > Yes, it's set like that.
>
> Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this
> affects it?
It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the
list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default.
Or do you have another default?
> > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and
> > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I
> > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And
> > so on.
>
> You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?
That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing
features.
> BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much
work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not
everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.
This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for
different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE
plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can
send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity
to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected
Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with
Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each
desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-
appletsrc by hand to correct this.
Impressions:
Some things are indeed fixed.
- Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a
window with multiple tabs.
- Dolphin no longer opens maximized.
- Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting
files.
- And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again
no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet).
KDE4 Problems that still happen:
- Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of
times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices.
- Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password
twice.
- Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they
show up in the menu.
- Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system
just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.
- Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing,
a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.
- At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and
offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before
logout.
- This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not.
And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one
window dies, all die.
- No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select,
only German.
- When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not
accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position
independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back
helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into
graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then?
- Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes
quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the
meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly
visible.
- Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes
plasma.
- This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong
position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the
former state after the operation).
- I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts
of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active
windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then.
- KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this
alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less.
- nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently
kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this
purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quite
high, though.
- I'm sure I forgot some.
Other frequent problems:
- This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort
of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all
those meta keys at once.
- After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift
and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running.
- Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the
system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did
not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot.
- Suspending to RAM does not work at all.
- Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops
with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image is ignored
and a normal boot happens.
- I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati-
drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion
failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got with
tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8,
then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the
panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a 'X
server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message.
- mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if
some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so
sometimes nothing at all can be seen.
Wonko
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-19 20:23 Alex Schuster
@ 2010-06-20 15:52 ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-06-28 22:50 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Kevin O'Gorman @ 2010-06-20 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Top posting for maximum notice:
As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this
thread has gone?
Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will
notice your
thread....
++ kevin
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some
> empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes
> experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I
> move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys
> like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while.
>
>
> Mick writes:
>
> > Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
> >
> > $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
> > /usr/local/share:/usr/share
> >
> > in your logs is shows:
> >
> > Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
> > '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
> >
> > Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up?
>
> Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup.
>
> > On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> > [snip ...]
> >
> > > Mick wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
>
> > > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I
> > > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably
> > > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached
> > > the error parts of the log.
> >
> > Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your
> > akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).
>
> This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it
> off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error.
>
>
> > > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user
> > > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help
> > > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if
> > > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).
> >
> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044
>
> Thanks! Now I remember reading it.
>
>
> > >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error
> > >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have to
> > >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I
> > >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I
> > >>> always have to change this to Germany.
> > >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
> > >>> Afghans perhaps.
> > >>
> > >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
> > >
> > > Yes, it's set like that.
> >
> > Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this
> > affects it?
>
> It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the
> list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default.
> Or do you have another default?
>
>
> > > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and
> > > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I
> > > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And
> > > so on.
> >
> > You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?
>
> That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing
> features.
>
> > BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
>
> Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much
> work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not
> everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.
> This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for
> different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE
> plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can
> send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity
> to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected
> Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with
> Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each
> desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-
> appletsrc by hand to correct this.
>
>
> Impressions:
>
> Some things are indeed fixed.
>
> - Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a
> window with multiple tabs.
>
> - Dolphin no longer opens maximized.
>
> - Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting
> files.
>
> - And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again
> no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet).
>
> KDE4 Problems that still happen:
>
> - Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of
> times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices.
>
> - Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password
> twice.
>
> - Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they
> show up in the menu.
>
> - Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system
> just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.
>
> - Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing,
> a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.
>
> - At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and
> offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before
> logout.
>
> - This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not.
> And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one
> window dies, all die.
>
> - No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select,
> only German.
>
> - When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not
> accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position
> independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back
> helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into
> graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then?
>
> - Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes
> quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the
> meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly
> visible.
>
> - Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes
> plasma.
>
> - This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong
> position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the
> former state after the operation).
>
> - I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts
> of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active
> windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then.
>
> - KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this
> alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less.
>
> - nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently
> kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this
> purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quite
> high, though.
>
> - I'm sure I forgot some.
>
> Other frequent problems:
>
> - This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort
> of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all
> those meta keys at once.
>
> - After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift
> and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running.
>
> - Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the
> system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did
> not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot.
>
> - Suspending to RAM does not work at all.
>
> - Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops
> with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image is ignored
> and a normal boot happens.
>
> - I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati-
> drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion
> failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got with
> tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8,
> then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the
> panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a 'X
> server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message.
>
> - mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if
> some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so
> sometimes nothing at all can be seen.
>
> Wonko
>
>
--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-20 15:52 ` Kevin O'Gorman
@ 2010-06-28 22:50 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-28 22:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Kevin O'Gorman writes:
> As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this
> thread has gone?
> Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people
> will notice your thread....
But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because, despite
my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only sane and
obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would
really really hate to do so.
KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had some
crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped
working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the complexity
would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand it
is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the same
file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were some
problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I experienced
some bitrot.
Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most of
them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like,
konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail crashed
even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little annoying
bugs would be fixed soon.
But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things never
really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before I
began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password dialog
stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*], could not
read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I had
become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail
clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this meant
some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords back.
On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized to the
activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do, to the
locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I really
really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all.
Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me considering
your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific problems.
[*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to bed, but
I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after some
lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same
happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I started
the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I
killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the composing
window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried again,
same result. Then I used thunderbird.
I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with
kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification
windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not sure
what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the wallet
when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup.
Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made one
day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I could
log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the
.kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to normal.
And I could finally go to bed.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
@ 2010-06-28 23:16 Mateusz Mierzwiński
2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mateusz Mierzwiński @ 2010-06-28 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
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I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. Try
to set correct USE flags and first of all - add DBUS to default
runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen don't work - it works for me. You
should also have Hald for X.org configuration.
BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption.
Chromium as major web browser, Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans.
Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!
It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software",
it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
"icons trashroom" on desktop.
Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
_check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4
folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.
At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 0:50 Alex Schuster wrote:
Kevin O'Gorman writes:
> As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT
this
> thread has gone?
> Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right
people
> will notice your thread....
But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because,
despite
my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only
sane and
obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would
really really hate to do so.
KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had
some
crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped
working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the
complexity
would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand
it
is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the
same
file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were
some
problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I
experienced
some bitrot.
Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most
of
them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like,
konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail
crashed
even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little
annoying
bugs would be fixed soon.
But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things
never
really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before
I
began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password
dialog
stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*],
could not
read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I
had
become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail
clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this
meant
some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords
back.
On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized
to the
activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do,
to the
locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I
really
really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all.
Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me
considering
your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific
problems.
[*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to
bed, but
I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after
some
lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same
happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I
started
the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I
killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the
composing
window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried
again,
same result. Then I used thunderbird.
I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with
kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification
windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not
sure
what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the
wallet
when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup.
Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made
one
day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I
could
log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the
.kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to
normal.
And I could finally go to bed.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-28 23:16 [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Mateusz Mierzwiński
@ 2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 14:38 ` Neil Bothwick
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-29 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mateusz Mierzwiński writes:
> I have KDE4. It work's perfect.
Whooo, now at least this sounds good!
> Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
> maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
> customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar.
I have:
CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of
making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my
bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this
flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable?
And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says:
The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os on
arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, but not
x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS.
About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about what -
march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says:
For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or -msse2
switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. For
the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default.
So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it
would change nothing.
> Try to set correct USE flags
They should be okay I think...
> and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen
> don't work - it works for me.
I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel.
> You should also have Hald for X.org configuration.
Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that will be
obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by
xorg.conf only.
> BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
> for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
> because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
> and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption.
Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for,
with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, drag&drop and what else.
I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL.
> Chromium as major web browser,
I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly.
Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with
some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox'
plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like
Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour in
the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to time
Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile directory
to make it start again.
Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few memory.
And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while
konquerro has major problems with it.
> Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
> as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
> OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans.
Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, Amarok
(which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice.
> Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
> with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
> broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
> when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
> phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
> into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!
Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great.
> It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software",
> it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
> "icons trashroom" on desktop.
I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still
looks quite unfinished to me.
Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should recommend
KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which makes
some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts to
FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain
umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For the
users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only,
instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which sometimes
does not work.
> Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
> _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4
> folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.
I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from scratch,
except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of hours
doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist.
BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops after this, when most
things were set up again as I like them.
http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/2010-06-19/
And I recently switched from ~x86 to ~amd64, without a change in KDE4's
behaviour.
Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most of
them are really minor issues.
ANNOYING:
Plasma:
- The add plasmoids menu that opens above the panel is hard to access as
it closes most often when I move the mouse into it.
- Moving a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktop is probably supposed
to work (why else would the drag operation start at all?), but it makes
plasma crash. Fortunately, it restarts automatically and things are as
before, except for a minimized 'JavaEmbeddedFrame' application which I
cannot restore or close. Whatever.
- The comic plasmoid refuses to show an increasing number of comics, and
currently after login does not show any at all. And does not keep the size
I give it.
- Moving and resizing plasmoids does not always work, they just plop back
into their last position and size. After some tries, it finally works, but
at the next login they are back to where they were sometimes.
Kontact:
- Sometimes complains at system startup that it is already running.
- Sometimes segfaults when closing, and does not start again until I kill
it process manually.
- When adding a new contact, I sometimes cannot select an address book to
store as the dialog shows none. Restarting kontact helps, but I have to
fill out everything again.
- Probably related: all contacts sometimes all have the same information
in them.
- Akonadi sometimes complains about missing resource agents when logging
into KDE.
Kopete:
- Shows me as online, but is not. Probably related to hibernating, going
offline and online again fixes this.
- Pressing the back / Forward button repeatedly and fast gives a message
that I just received a message from that contact, and asks whether the
chat sould really be cleared. Okay, I just pause a little (1/2 second)
between each press, so it's no problem. But these things look to me as the
authors of kopete did not try such things theirselves, or else they would
have fixed them.
Kmail:
- Allows for multiple tabs, but then in these tabs new messages are not
shown (only in the folder list). So, they added a nice feature, but to
actually see new mails I have to close the tabs and select the folder
again.
- I can not open a new tab when mails for an account are fetched.
- Attachements are sometimes saved with a size of 0. Bad if you do not
check and realize this much later. has not happened for a while, it#s
probably fixed, but I still check just in case.
- The 'g' key sometimes does nothing.
- Sometimes the mouse is not shown inside kmail.
- Sometimes checks IMAP folders but never stops, aborting doe snot help,
needs to be restarted.
- Once showed a mail on gentoo-user with my address, but I was not the
author of this message.
- Going offline while some move operation is still pending makes it hang.
- When searching large folders, a message appears telling me that first
all messages of folder X have to be downloaded, and this will take some
time. It appears for every folder (I surely had MANY of them), and the 'do
not ask again' checkbox does not prevent this. So I spent a while
accepting t
- kmail used to save messages I was composing, and the auto-save interbval
is still set. But when it crashes, or even if I quit it regularly, it has
forgotten about mails I was currently composing.
Konqueror:
- Also somtimes has no mouse cursor inside its window.
- Bookmark editor still crashes sometimes
- Sometimes shows a weird scrolling problem when scolling a page down
works, but when dragging the slider only updates a few lines of pixels at
the top. Opening the page in a new tab and closing the old one helps.
- When scrolling with the mouse wheel, it sometimes srolls to the right,
too.
- Seldomly when scrolling a page down, it scrolls down and down until at
the end of the page.
- Crashes fairly often, for example when scrolling in the shoutbox of a
phpbb forum. I did not find such a forum with open access so I could not
report this bug.
- In new tabs, the first click on a link sometimes does nothing.
- The saved session sometimes misses a window.
- The saved sessino sometimes shows tabs with old content, even older than
when the session was saved.
- At session startup, I get the crash recovery dialog for some of the
konquerors which were open when I logged out last time.
Dolphin:
- Sometimes shows artifats that look like the shape of the preview window,
but show other parts of the desktop.
- Needs double logins for FTP .
- Sometimes does not update the display after uploading files via FTP.
- Does not allow to download files with umlauts via FTP (I have to do this
regularly)
- Once sorted files like this: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt
Krunner (this Alt-F2 thing):
- Is really slow sometimes
- Currently crashes when I enter someting.
Misc:
- Knode once forgot all old messages.
- knotes shows the scrollbar only when the mouse is inside it, and changes
the layout becausethe scrollbar needs additional space. Okay, really not a
bad bug, but still it's a little annoying as things I want to mark move
around when I enter the window.
- Konsole lets me select other profiles only after I enable them first in
the profile dialog.
- kalgebra once did wrong calculations with large numbers. Fixed long ago,
but these ar ethe kind of bugs I do not want to have. What use is a
calculator, when I have do double check with another one just in case it
is wrong again?
- KDE 3.5 had a nice print preview, but it seems there is none in KDE 4?
- Nepomuk once used several gigabytes for its database. Does no longer
happen, but then this may be because it crashes before. When logging in to
KD, strigi starts indexing, crashes after a minute, indexes the same
folders again, crashes again, until it stops completely after some more
crashes. At least now it crashes after a minute, with my old setup when I
let it index my MP3s, it ran for days. So I have strigi desactivated.
- Saving a session often does not work correctly, so I never ever do this
without making a backup of my .kde4 directory.
- The 'explosion' desktop effect when closing windows is nice, but also
happens for the little display of current size and position that appears
when moving a window around, and as such gets on my nerves. Yeees, this is
really no big deal, but it's on my list of bugs anyway, and I think it
shows that the KDE guys do not test or use these things much, or do not
care much about it.
- I have the Windows key as modifier wor window stuff, instead of Alt. I
can select Meta-Shift-Tab in order to switch backwards though windows, but
it does not work. So I'm using Meta-Caps-Tab isntead for this.
- Some dialog windows of a specific application always open in the
background, behind other windows. I checked the window settings, they are
empty.
- After playing Quake3, the panel has black areas. Switching Composite off
and on again (Alt-Shift-F12) usually fixes this. For other OpenGL
applications like Nexuiz, I have to open another window manager on another
X server, as this sometimes has the weirdest effecs to the KDE desktop.
- Amarok: Did not play streams, showed a corrupted collection for several
times, sometimes just did not play, refused drag&drop, lost tags I had
set, killed .ogg files when editing tags, took 7 minutes for startup...
but these seem all to fixed.
- Automatic spell checking in applications like kmail or konqueror does
not happen in KDE 4.4.4. You will find lots of typos in this mail that I
would have corrected else. When still working, it had trouble with
abbreviations which were always shown as errors, and it sometimes refused
to add words to the custom dictionary.
- KsCD once did not find my CD-ROM. When I just wanted to test this again,
Amarok starts checking the CD, and is very busy with that, for several
minutes now. The information thingy in the tray shows 0/11 tasks, all with
empty progress bars and no further information. Using the desktop got
really slow, some mouse clicks took 20 seconds to take place, I
accidentally removed the system tray while clicking around, and the system
was so slow it took me a while to add the tray again, even after I ejected
the CD. This is a good example of what I experience often: I do some
something new, like inserting a CD, and weird things start to happen. But
at least KsCD seems to work now. Oh, even though I closed KsCD and removed
the CD, and I do not seem it in the system tray, it still eats up 10 % of
my CPU power.
- Occasionally, the phonon sound system does not work. I get a message
about this during login. Next login, all is fine again.
- And why is it not possible to save multiple marked files via drag&drop
in ark?
REALLY ANNOYING:
- kontact crashes when started for a second time, which sometimes
accidentally happens to me. Mails I was composing are lost.
- For two times, plasmoids were on the wrong desktop. As moving them
around to other desktops / activities does not seem to be possible, I edit
.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc directly to make them appear
on their usual places.
- About once a day, only parts of the last active applications reacts to
the mouse. Seems to happen in konqueror only. I can click links, but the
menus do not work. When I kill it, the next allication which gets the
input focus gets partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out,
which is possible only via Ctrl-Alt-Del and waiting for 30 seconds, I
cannot even confirm the logout requester. Okay, there's also Ctrl-Alt-
Shift-Del, whcih I just found out about. I thought this might be related
to javascript, as it only happens in konqueror, so I turned it off, and it
did not happen for two days, but then it did. Oh, and then it just
happened again, while composing this mail. At least I can switch to this
window and save this as draft. But this time Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work, I
have to restart KDM.
- Back again. What happened some days ago was a corrupted KDE wallet,
which made kwalletmanager not start. I got dozends of dialog windows from
various applications like kmail or kopete, and additionaly lots of
kwalletmanager crash windows.
- Longer ago I experienced a bug even worse. When the KDE password dialog
was set to show three bullets per character, it did not work. I had no
access to my wallet, could not use kmail, or access FTP locations with
dolphin. Took me quite a while until I finally found out myself what
setting was responsible for that. A total show stopper. The bug was fixed
two months after it had been reported, which I find is quite a long time
for such a serious bug.
That's most of it. I did not yet report too many of them yet, mostly
because I thought the developers also use KDE and already know many, but
then maybe they happen to few people only.
Wonko
[1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags
[2] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-
Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-06-29 14:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-06-29 22:40 ` Mick
2010-06-30 1:04 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2010-07-04 19:57 ` [gentoo-user] " Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2010-06-29 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly.
> Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with
> some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox'
> plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I
> like Konqueror's behaviour better.
I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on
more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its
kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable
feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see myself going back
to Konqueror.
--
Neil Bothwick
If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
@ 2010-06-29 15:45 Mateusz Mierzwiński
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From: Mateusz Mierzwiński @ 2010-06-29 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
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First of all - try to configure X-es by hald. If this don't work on
Your arch, try revert to xorg.conf. I have Intel GMA965 card and it
work's ideal.
If You say about web clients, that You hate them - it's yours right.
I like it, because of 396 firm contacts on my contact book connected
to them files, tasks and events in calendar, notes, divided between
couple groups. I like it because of linking things together and it's
safer when You travel with Your laptop (server is mine so I decide
when upgrade and configure app). I've integrated it remote with
blackberry ;) so it's nice tool together.
Chromium is very stable now. Half year ago there was a difference
with exploding cards and flash. Now it works great.
As You say about FTP's and Delphin - set Your default file manager to
Konqueror. I don't like delphin. In me is stagnation after KDE 3.x -
if it work's so why provide something different again from scratch?
That's all for now what I can say. If I find more time, I read Your
whole mail and post some info about things I know.
Greet's
At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 16:23 Alex Schuster wrote:
Mateusz Mierzwiński writes:
> I have KDE4. It work's perfect.
Whooo, now at least this sounds good!
> Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
> maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
> customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar.
I have:
CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost
of
making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway,
so my
bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_
this
flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable?
And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says:
The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os
on
arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64,
but not
x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS.
About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about
what -
march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says:
For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or
-msse2
switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective.
For
the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default.
So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it
would change nothing.
> Try to set correct USE flags
They should be okay I think...
> and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your "Welcome"
screen
> don't work - it works for me.
I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel.
> You should also have Hald for X.org configuration.
Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that
will be
obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by
xorg.conf only.
> BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
> for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
> because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
> and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption.
Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment
for,
with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, drag&drop and what
else.
I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL.
> Chromium as major web browser,
I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed
instantly.
Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems
with
some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of
Firefox'
plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I
like
Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour
in
the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to
time
Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile
directory
to make it start again.
Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few
memory.
And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while
konquerro has major problems with it.
> Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
> as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
> OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my
plans.
Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete,
Amarok
(which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice.
> Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
> with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
> broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
> when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
> phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
> into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!
Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great.
> It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop
software",
> it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
> "icons trashroom" on desktop.
I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still
looks quite unfinished to me.
Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should
recommend
KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which
makes
some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts
to
FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain
umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For
the
users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only,
instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which
sometimes
does not work.
> Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
> _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or
.kde4
> folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.
I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from
scratch,
except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of
hours
doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist.
BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops after this, when most
things were set up again as I like them.
http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/2010-06-19/
And I recently switched from ~x86 to ~amd64, without a change in
KDE4's
behaviour.
Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately
most of
them are really minor issues.
ANNOYING:
Plasma:
- The add plasmoids menu that opens above the panel is hard to access
as
it closes most often when I move the mouse into it.
- Moving a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktop is probably
supposed
to work (why else would the drag operation start at all?), but it
makes
plasma crash. Fortunately, it restarts automatically and things are
as
before, except for a minimized 'JavaEmbeddedFrame' application which
I
cannot restore or close. Whatever.
- The comic plasmoid refuses to show an increasing number of comics,
and
currently after login does not show any at all. And does not keep the
size
I give it.
- Moving and resizing plasmoids does not always work, they just plop
back
into their last position and size. After some tries, it finally
works, but
at the next login they are back to where they were sometimes.
Kontact:
- Sometimes complains at system startup that it is already running.
- Sometimes segfaults when closing, and does not start again until I
kill
it process manually.
- When adding a new contact, I sometimes cannot select an address
book to
store as the dialog shows none. Restarting kontact helps, but I have
to
fill out everything again.
- Probably related: all contacts sometimes all have the same
information
in them.
- Akonadi sometimes complains about missing resource agents when
logging
into KDE.
Kopete:
- Shows me as online, but is not. Probably related to hibernating,
going
offline and online again fixes this.
- Pressing the back / Forward button repeatedly and fast gives a
message
that I just received a message from that contact, and asks whether
the
chat sould really be cleared. Okay, I just pause a little (1/2
second)
between each press, so it's no problem. But these things look to me
as the
authors of kopete did not try such things theirselves, or else they
would
have fixed them.
Kmail:
- Allows for multiple tabs, but then in these tabs new messages are
not
shown (only in the folder list). So, they added a nice feature, but
to
actually see new mails I have to close the tabs and select the folder
again.
- I can not open a new tab when mails for an account are fetched.
- Attachements are sometimes saved with a size of 0. Bad if you do
not
check and realize this much later. has not happened for a while, it#s
probably fixed, but I still check just in case.
- The 'g' key sometimes does nothing.
- Sometimes the mouse is not shown inside kmail.
- Sometimes checks IMAP folders but never stops, aborting doe snot
help,
needs to be restarted.
- Once showed a mail on gentoo-user with my address, but I was not
the
author of this message.
- Going offline while some move operation is still pending makes it
hang.
- When searching large folders, a message appears telling me that
first
all messages of folder X have to be downloaded, and this will take
some
time. It appears for every folder (I surely had MANY of them), and
the 'do
not ask again' checkbox does not prevent this. So I spent a while
accepting t
- kmail used to save messages I was composing, and the auto-save
interbval
is still set. But when it crashes, or even if I quit it regularly, it
has
forgotten about mails I was currently composing.
Konqueror:
- Also somtimes has no mouse cursor inside its window.
- Bookmark editor still crashes sometimes
- Sometimes shows a weird scrolling problem when scolling a page down
works, but when dragging the slider only updates a few lines of
pixels at
the top. Opening the page in a new tab and closing the old one helps.
- When scrolling with the mouse wheel, it sometimes srolls to the
right,
too.
- Seldomly when scrolling a page down, it scrolls down and down until
at
the end of the page.
- Crashes fairly often, for example when scrolling in the shoutbox of
a
phpbb forum. I did not find such a forum with open access so I could
not
report this bug.
- In new tabs, the first click on a link sometimes does nothing.
- The saved session sometimes misses a window.
- The saved sessino sometimes shows tabs with old content, even older
than
when the session was saved.
- At session startup, I get the crash recovery dialog for some of the
konquerors which were open when I logged out last time.
Dolphin:
- Sometimes shows artifats that look like the shape of the preview
window,
but show other parts of the desktop.
- Needs double logins for FTP .
- Sometimes does not update the display after uploading files via
FTP.
- Does not allow to download files with umlauts via FTP (I have to do
this
regularly)
- Once sorted files like this: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi,
Foo-2.srt
Krunner (this Alt-F2 thing):
- Is really slow sometimes
- Currently crashes when I enter someting.
Misc:
- Knode once forgot all old messages.
- knotes shows the scrollbar only when the mouse is inside it, and
changes
the layout becausethe scrollbar needs additional space. Okay, really
not a
bad bug, but still it's a little annoying as things I want to mark
move
around when I enter the window.
- Konsole lets me select other profiles only after I enable them
first in
the profile dialog.
- kalgebra once did wrong calculations with large numbers. Fixed long
ago,
but these ar ethe kind of bugs I do not want to have. What use is a
calculator, when I have do double check with another one just in case
it
is wrong again?
- KDE 3.5 had a nice print preview, but it seems there is none in KDE
4?
- Nepomuk once used several gigabytes for its database. Does no
longer
happen, but then this may be because it crashes before. When logging
in to
KD, strigi starts indexing, crashes after a minute, indexes the same
folders again, crashes again, until it stops completely after some
more
crashes. At least now it crashes after a minute, with my old setup
when I
let it index my MP3s, it ran for days. So I have strigi desactivated.
- Saving a session often does not work correctly, so I never ever do
this
without making a backup of my .kde4 directory.
- The 'explosion' desktop effect when closing windows is nice, but
also
happens for the little display of current size and position that
appears
when moving a window around, and as such gets on my nerves. Yeees,
this is
really no big deal, but it's on my list of bugs anyway, and I think
it
shows that the KDE guys do not test or use these things much, or do
not
care much about it.
- I have the Windows key as modifier wor window stuff, instead of
Alt. I
can select Meta-Shift-Tab in order to switch backwards though
windows, but
it does not work. So I'm using Meta-Caps-Tab isntead for this.
- Some dialog windows of a specific application always open in the
background, behind other windows. I checked the window settings, they
are
empty.
- After playing Quake3, the panel has black areas. Switching
Composite off
and on again (Alt-Shift-F12) usually fixes this. For other OpenGL
applications like Nexuiz, I have to open another window manager on
another
X server, as this sometimes has the weirdest effecs to the KDE
desktop.
- Amarok: Did not play streams, showed a corrupted collection for
several
times, sometimes just did not play, refused drag&drop, lost tags I
had
set, killed .ogg files when editing tags, took 7 minutes for
startup...
but these seem all to fixed.
- Automatic spell checking in applications like kmail or konqueror
does
not happen in KDE 4.4.4. You will find lots of typos in this mail
that I
would have corrected else. When still working, it had trouble with
abbreviations which were always shown as errors, and it sometimes
refused
to add words to the custom dictionary.
- KsCD once did not find my CD-ROM. When I just wanted to test this
again,
Amarok starts checking the CD, and is very busy with that, for
several
minutes now. The information thingy in the tray shows 0/11 tasks, all
with
empty progress bars and no further information. Using the desktop got
really slow, some mouse clicks took 20 seconds to take place, I
accidentally removed the system tray while clicking around, and the
system
was so slow it took me a while to add the tray again, even after I
ejected
the CD. This is a good example of what I experience often: I do some
something new, like inserting a CD, and weird things start to happen.
But
at least KsCD seems to work now. Oh, even though I closed KsCD and
removed
the CD, and I do not seem it in the system tray, it still eats up 10
% of
my CPU power.
- Occasionally, the phonon sound system does not work. I get a
message
about this during login. Next login, all is fine again.
- And why is it not possible to save multiple marked files via
drag&drop
in ark?
REALLY ANNOYING:
- kontact crashes when started for a second time, which sometimes
accidentally happens to me. Mails I was composing are lost.
- For two times, plasmoids were on the wrong desktop. As moving them
around to other desktops / activities does not seem to be possible, I
edit
.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc directly to make them
appear
on their usual places.
- About once a day, only parts of the last active applications reacts
to
the mouse. Seems to happen in konqueror only. I can click links, but
the
menus do not work. When I kill it, the next allication which gets the
input focus gets partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log
out,
which is possible only via Ctrl-Alt-Del and waiting for 30 seconds, I
cannot even confirm the logout requester. Okay, there's also
Ctrl-Alt-
Shift-Del, whcih I just found out about. I thought this might be
related
to javascript, as it only happens in konqueror, so I turned it off,
and it
did not happen for two days, but then it did. Oh, and then it just
happened again, while composing this mail. At least I can switch to
this
window and save this as draft. But this time Ctrl-Alt-Del does not
work, I
have to restart KDM.
- Back again. What happened some days ago was a corrupted KDE wallet,
which made kwalletmanager not start. I got dozends of dialog windows
from
various applications like kmail or kopete, and additionaly lots of
kwalletmanager crash windows.
- Longer ago I experienced a bug even worse. When the KDE password
dialog
was set to show three bullets per character, it did not work. I had
no
access to my wallet, could not use kmail, or access FTP locations
with
dolphin. Took me quite a while until I finally found out myself what
setting was responsible for that. A total show stopper. The bug was
fixed
two months after it had been reported, which I find is quite a long
time
for such a serious bug.
That's most of it. I did not yet report too many of them yet, mostly
because I thought the developers also use KDE and already know many,
but
then maybe they happen to few people only.
Wonko
[1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags
[2] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-
Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
[not found] ` <f0JZ1-4aw-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
@ 2010-06-29 15:50 ` David W Noon
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: David W Noon @ 2010-06-29 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:30:03 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!:
[snip]
>I have:
>CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
>
>AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost
>of making debugging harder.
For AMD K8 processors (i.e. amd64), the -fomit-frame-pointer option is
silently ignored by GCC. It has no meaning on the newer hardware
platforms.
--
Regards,
Dave [RLU #314465]
======================================================================
dwnoon@ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 14:38 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2010-06-29 22:40 ` Mick
2010-06-29 23:16 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-06-29 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly.
> > Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with
> > some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox'
> > plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I
> > like Konqueror's behaviour better.
>
> I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
> tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on
> more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its
> kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable
> feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see myself going back
> to Konqueror.
I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't really
tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites. In terms of
performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror not managing some
Javascripts at all.
Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your
screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 22:40 ` Mick
@ 2010-06-29 23:16 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 23:21 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-06-30 0:55 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-29 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick writes:
> On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I
> > tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works
> > on more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and
> > its kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the
> > inevitable feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see
> > myself going back to Konqueror.
I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's
fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web
shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now is
mouse gestures.
> I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't
> really tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites. In
> terms of performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror
> not managing some Javascripts at all.
Opera, this might also be an idea. I never used it much, only in some
cases when Konqueror had problems with web pags.
> Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of
> your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the
Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 23:16 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2010-06-29 23:21 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-06-30 6:23 ` Mick
2010-06-30 0:55 ` Neil Bothwick
1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-06-29 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Alex Schuster
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of
> > your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
>
> No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the
> Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk.
Correct.
Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk.
Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact
nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 23:16 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 23:21 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-06-30 0:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-06-30 10:46 ` Alex Schuster
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2010-06-30 0:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's
> fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web
> shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now
> is mouse gestures.
I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures.
I don't know how well they work.
--
Neil Bothwick
Q. How many radical feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Two - one to change the bulb and one to write a book about the passive
role of the socket.
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 14:38 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2010-06-30 1:04 ` walt
2010-06-30 4:01 ` waltdnes
2010-07-04 19:57 ` [gentoo-user] " Alex Schuster
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From: walt @ 2010-06-30 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 06/29/2010 07:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote:
> I have:
> CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3
Hm. I've never seen that flag before. My k8 supports only sse2.
> AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of
> making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my
> bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this
> flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable?
I've never been able to see any difference, so I don't use omit-fp. But, the
main cpu-intensive app I use is gcc, and I admit I've never actually measured
the difference.
> Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for,
I agree completely, but the Software-As-A-Service paradigm is getting a lot
of attention from M$ *and* google as a more profitable alternative to selling
shrink-wrapped software like M$-Office. (M$ ran out of good ideas to persuade
people to buy new versions of Office many years ago, IMHO.)
When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the answer to
their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win.
I hate web-mail, and I always use pop3 or imap when I can, but I can't force
my employer to offer those services if they've decided that running a web-
mail server is cheaper. I've tried many times, but I'm losing the battle.
If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years. Will the
black hat hackers be unhappy about that? Dunno, but I'd guess not.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-30 1:04 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
@ 2010-06-30 4:01 ` waltdnes
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From: waltdnes @ 2010-06-30 4:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 06:04:59PM -0700, walt wrote
> When companies that rich and powerful push web-only services as the
> answer to their revenue prayers, I suspect they may be able to win.
The answer to that is Gnumeric/Abiword, unless MS/Google get them
outlawed. OpenOffice (Bleagh) and KOffice (Bleagh) are bloated, but
some people still use them.
> If the trend continues, only port 80 will be in use in a few years.
> Will the black hat hackers be unhappy about that? Dunno, but I'd
> guess not.
Hackers will be very happy and clients will be very vulnerable...
duhhhh, nice profitable company youse got there Mr. CEO. It would be a
shame if something terrible should happen to your cashflow, like your
internet connection was killed by a backhoe, or a DDOS attack. Now, for
only a few thousand dollars per month in protection, wese can see to it
that nothing terrible happens to your beautiful cashflow.
--
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 23:21 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-06-30 6:23 ` Mick
2010-06-30 9:30 ` Peter Humphrey
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From: Mick @ 2010-06-30 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wednesday 30 June 2010 00:21:18 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of
> > > your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults).
> >
> > No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the
> > Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk.
>
> Correct.
>
>
> Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk.
>
> Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact
>
> nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog.
At some point with KDE-4.4.4 I started getting errors from akonadi which
mentioned nepomuke not having been registered with dbus or similar. I then
logged into KDE and switched off Nepomuke, errors went away (although I still
get the akonadi progress bar coming up when I launch kmail).
I just started Kontact and looked at ps which showed that Nepomuke is running.
So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched?
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-30 6:23 ` Mick
@ 2010-06-30 9:30 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-06-30 10:17 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2010-06-30 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote:
> So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched
Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some
problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far.
--
Rgds
Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-30 9:30 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2010-06-30 10:17 ` Mick
2010-06-30 10:35 ` Peter Humphrey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2010-06-30 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 30 June 2010 10:30, Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote:
>
>> So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched
>
> Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some
> problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far.
Yes it does, just looked into it a bit more. Starting Kmail as a
stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole KDE desktop)
launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs akonadiserver, which
calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and this calls
/usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order).
Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start. We're only
talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up
just before Kmail launches. Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no
delays.
I'll be updating KDE on my old PIII laptop soon and would be
interested to see how long it takes on that Vs KDE-4.3.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-30 10:17 ` Mick
@ 2010-06-30 10:35 ` Peter Humphrey
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2010-06-30 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:17:13 Mick wrote:
> Starting Kmail as a stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole
> KDE desktop) launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs
> akonadiserver, which calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and
> this calls /usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order).
>
> Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start. We're only
> talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up
> just before Kmail launches. Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no
> delays.
Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info.
--
Rgds
Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-30 0:55 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2010-06-30 10:46 ` Alex Schuster
0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-06-30 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Neil Bothwick writes:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit,
> > it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even
> > has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm
> > missing most now is mouse gestures.
>
> I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures.
> I don't know how well they work.
Oh my. Yes, I just checkt google's extension page, and there are about a
dozen gesture extensions to choose from. While it's nice to have freedom
of choice, I hate to try them all out and find the one which suits my
needs best. Maybe I'll just try the top ranked one.
Same goes for Firefox.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 14:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-06-30 1:04 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
@ 2010-07-04 19:57 ` Alex Schuster
2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2010-07-04 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
I wrote:
> Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most
> of them are really minor issues.
[58 KDE bugs]
I forgot two. kio_thumbnail does not seem to save the results, and scans
folders again, causing loads of 20. And the password dialog when the
screen was blanked does sometimes (under heavy load) not react. A solution
is to enter Ctrl-Alt-F7, then the dialog is responsive again. Whatever.
But all this does not matter any more in any way, because all will be
fixed soon, as I just see KDE 4.4.5 is in portage! Emerging it right now.
Wonko
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