From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OTNAz-0005zL-Gg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:51:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B7F3E0B22; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.virtyou.com (mx.virtyou.com [94.23.166.77]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A363E0B22 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weird.localnet (p4FF04F8D.dip.t-dialin.net [79.240.79.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.virtyou.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6A024A8010 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:50:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:50:48 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.33-tuxonice-r2; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <201006192223.42383.wonko@wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Length: 4197 X-UID: 755 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201006290050.48730.wonko@wonkology.org> X-Archives-Salt: 91ad98d5-3d63-4978-8c6f-082c1040a4c8 X-Archives-Hash: 3217969b231642ad0082a62125870632 Kevin O'Gorman writes: > As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this > thread has gone? > Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people > will notice your thread.... But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because, despite my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only sane and obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would really really hate to do so. KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had some crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the complexity would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand it is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the same file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were some problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I experienced some bitrot. Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most of them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like, konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail crashed even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little annoying bugs would be fixed soon. But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things never really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before I began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password dialog stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*], could not read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I had become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this meant some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords back. On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized to the activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do, to the locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I really really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all. Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me considering your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific problems. [*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to bed, but I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after some lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I started the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the composing window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried again, same result. Then I used thunderbird. I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not sure what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the wallet when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup. Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made one day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I could log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the .kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to normal. And I could finally go to bed. Wonko