[gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,


my Atheros wlan (builtin, internal intenna) is regularily 
loosing link. Reproducible in various different networks.
At home, my wlan ap is about 2 meter away (within the room),
so link quality (currently 53) shouldnt be the problem.

Does anyone know what could cause the problem ?

# cat /proc/version

Linux version 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 (root@excalibur.local) \
(gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) ) 	\
#1 SMP Wed Jun 2 00:51:13 CEST 2010

# lspci -v 
...

02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
    Subsystem: Askey Computer Corp. Device 7167
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
    Memory at f6000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
    Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
    Capabilities: [60] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
    Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
    Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel <?>
    Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 00-15-17-ff-ff-24-14-12
    Capabilities: [170] Power Budgeting <?>
    Kernel driver in use: ath9k
    Kernel modules: ath9k
...


Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur kernel: wlan0: no probe response from AP 00:23:08:86:d6:8f - disassociating
Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur dhcpcd[10182]: wlan0: carrier lost


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Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[Mick]

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On Friday 25 June 2010 18:52:18 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> my Atheros wlan (builtin, internal intenna) is regularily
> loosing link. Reproducible in various different networks.
> At home, my wlan ap is about 2 meter away (within the room),
> so link quality (currently 53) shouldnt be the problem.
> 
> Does anyone know what could cause the problem ?
> 
> # cat /proc/version
> 
> Linux version 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 (root@excalibur.local) \
> (gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) ) 	\
> #1 SMP Wed Jun 2 00:51:13 CEST 2010
> 
> # lspci -v
> ...
> 
> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless
> Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Subsystem: Askey Computer Corp.
> Device 7167
>     Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
>     Memory at f6000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
>     Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
>     Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
>     Capabilities: [60] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
>     Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
>     Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel <?>
>     Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 00-15-17-ff-ff-24-14-12
>     Capabilities: [170] Power Budgeting <?>
>     Kernel driver in use: ath9k
>     Kernel modules: ath9k
> ...
> 
> 
> Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur kernel: wlan0: no probe response from AP
> 00:23:08:86:d6:8f - disassociating Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur
> dhcpcd[10182]: wlan0: carrier lost

I have seen the same problem with my internal broadcom card and of course a 
different driver.  If you check google there seem to be pages and pages of 
users reporting such a problem on different distros and with different makes 
of wireless cards.

The jury's out as to what's causing this.  Is it related to modern cards with 
low power management capabilities and how this may interact with the kernel, 
or is it something to do with the tolerance built into TTL packets between the 
card and the AP?

With regards to my card I have noticed that at home I stay connected for hours 
on end, at work it's a miracle if I stay online for longer than 5 minutes 
(both on the same channel).  This to me says that the problem is one of 
interaction with the router, which points to tolerance on the TTL packets.

Of course YMMV ... 
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[Nagatoro]

On Saturday 26 June 2010 14.35.28 Mick wrote:
> On Friday 25 June 2010 18:52:18 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > 
> > my Atheros wlan (builtin, internal intenna) is regularily
> > loosing link. Reproducible in various different networks.
> > At home, my wlan ap is about 2 meter away (within the room),
> > so link quality (currently 53) shouldnt be the problem.
> > 
> > Does anyone know what could cause the problem ?
> > 
> > # cat /proc/version
> > 
> > Linux version 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 (root@excalibur.local) \
> > (gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) ) 	\
> > #1 SMP Wed Jun 2 00:51:13 CEST 2010
> > 
> > # lspci -v
> > ...
> > 
> > 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless
> > Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Subsystem: Askey Computer Corp.
> > Device 7167
> > 
> >     Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
> >     Memory at f6000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> >     Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
> >     Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
> >     Capabilities: [60] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
> >     Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
> >     Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel <?>
> >     Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 00-15-17-ff-ff-24-14-12
> >     Capabilities: [170] Power Budgeting <?>
> >     Kernel driver in use: ath9k
> >     Kernel modules: ath9k
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > 
> > Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur kernel: wlan0: no probe response from AP
> > 00:23:08:86:d6:8f - disassociating Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur
> > dhcpcd[10182]: wlan0: carrier lost
> 
> I have seen the same problem with my internal broadcom card and of course a
> different driver.  If you check google there seem to be pages and pages of
> users reporting such a problem on different distros and with different
> makes of wireless cards.
> 
> The jury's out as to what's causing this.  Is it related to modern cards
> with low power management capabilities and how this may interact with the
> kernel, or is it something to do with the tolerance built into TTL packets
> between the card and the AP?
> 
> With regards to my card I have noticed that at home I stay connected for
> hours on end, at work it's a miracle if I stay online for longer than 5
> minutes (both on the same channel).  This to me says that the problem is
> one of interaction with the router, which points to tolerance on the TTL
> packets.
> 
> Of course YMMV ...


Last time I had this problem I tracked it to a conflict between wpa_supplicant 
and the card driver. Basicly the card driver would send a request to assosiate 
with mac 00:00:....:00 each time a new card was found on the air and 
wpa_supplicatnt interpreted this as a request from the driver to drop the 
connection. The driver folks said that this request should be ignored and the 
wpa_supplicant folks said that this should not be ignored but instead was a 
disconnect request. Catch 22...

Because of this I had to use wep instead of wpa(2) for along time.

/Naga

Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[Mick]

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On Sunday 27 June 2010 06:55:31 Nagatoro wrote:
> On Saturday 26 June 2010 14.35.28 Mick wrote:
> > On Friday 25 June 2010 18:52:18 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > my Atheros wlan (builtin, internal intenna) is regularily
> > > loosing link. Reproducible in various different networks.
> > > At home, my wlan ap is about 2 meter away (within the room),
> > > so link quality (currently 53) shouldnt be the problem.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know what could cause the problem ?
> > > 
> > > # cat /proc/version
> > > 
> > > Linux version 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 (root@excalibur.local) \
> > > (gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) ) 	\
> > > #1 SMP Wed Jun 2 00:51:13 CEST 2010
> > > 
> > > # lspci -v
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless
> > > Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Subsystem: Askey Computer Corp.
> > > Device 7167
> > > 
> > >     Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
> > >     Memory at f6000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> > >     Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
> > >     Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
> > >     Capabilities: [60] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
> > >     Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
> > >     Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel <?>
> > >     Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 00-15-17-ff-ff-24-14-12
> > >     Capabilities: [170] Power Budgeting <?>
> > >     Kernel driver in use: ath9k
> > >     Kernel modules: ath9k
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur kernel: wlan0: no probe response from AP
> > > 00:23:08:86:d6:8f - disassociating Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur
> > > dhcpcd[10182]: wlan0: carrier lost
> > 
> > I have seen the same problem with my internal broadcom card and of course
> > a different driver.  If you check google there seem to be pages and
> > pages of users reporting such a problem on different distros and with
> > different makes of wireless cards.
> > 
> > The jury's out as to what's causing this.  Is it related to modern cards
> > with low power management capabilities and how this may interact with the
> > kernel, or is it something to do with the tolerance built into TTL
> > packets between the card and the AP?
> > 
> > With regards to my card I have noticed that at home I stay connected for
> > hours on end, at work it's a miracle if I stay online for longer than 5
> > minutes (both on the same channel).  This to me says that the problem is
> > one of interaction with the router, which points to tolerance on the TTL
> > packets.
> > 
> > Of course YMMV ...
> 
> Last time I had this problem I tracked it to a conflict between
> wpa_supplicant and the card driver. Basicly the card driver would send a
> request to assosiate with mac 00:00:....:00 each time a new card was found
> on the air and wpa_supplicatnt interpreted this as a request from the
> driver to drop the connection. The driver folks said that this request
> should be ignored and the wpa_supplicant folks said that this should not
> be ignored but instead was a disconnect request. Catch 22...
> 
> Because of this I had to use wep instead of wpa(2) for along time.

I seem to recall this as a problem too, although not in my case.  At work 
there is no encryption and despite this the connection keeps dropping, while 
at home I use WPA2.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros WLAN loosing link

[Feifei WU]

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On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 27 June 2010 06:55:31 Nagatoro wrote:
> > On Saturday 26 June 2010 14.35.28 Mick wrote:
> > > On Friday 25 June 2010 18:52:18 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > my Atheros wlan (builtin, internal intenna) is regularily
> > > > loosing link. Reproducible in various different networks.
> > > > At home, my wlan ap is about 2 meter away (within the room),
> > > > so link quality (currently 53) shouldnt be the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know what could cause the problem ?
> > > >
> > > > # cat /proc/version
> > > >
> > > > Linux version 2.6.31-gentoo-r10 (root@excalibur.local) \
> > > > (gcc version 4.3.4 (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) )      \
> > > > #1 SMP Wed Jun 2 00:51:13 CEST 2010
> > > >
> > > > # lspci -v
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285
> Wireless
> > > > Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Subsystem: Askey Computer
> Corp.
> > > > Device 7167
> > > >
> > > >     Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
> > > >     Memory at f6000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> > > >     Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
> > > >     Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
> > > >     Capabilities: [60] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
> > > >     Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
> > > >     Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel <?>
> > > >     Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 00-15-17-ff-ff-24-14-12
> > > >     Capabilities: [170] Power Budgeting <?>
> > > >     Kernel driver in use: ath9k
> > > >     Kernel modules: ath9k
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur kernel: wlan0: no probe response from AP
> > > > 00:23:08:86:d6:8f - disassociating Jun 25 19:36:51 excalibur
> > > > dhcpcd[10182]: wlan0: carrier lost
> > >
> > > I have seen the same problem with my internal broadcom card and of
> course
> > > a different driver.  If you check google there seem to be pages and
> > > pages of users reporting such a problem on different distros and with
> > > different makes of wireless cards.
> > >
> > > The jury's out as to what's causing this.  Is it related to modern
> cards
> > > with low power management capabilities and how this may interact with
> the
> > > kernel, or is it something to do with the tolerance built into TTL
> > > packets between the card and the AP?
> > >
> > > With regards to my card I have noticed that at home I stay connected
> for
> > > hours on end, at work it's a miracle if I stay online for longer than 5
> > > minutes (both on the same channel).  This to me says that the problem
> is
> > > one of interaction with the router, which points to tolerance on the
> TTL
> > > packets.
> > >
> > > Of course YMMV ...
> >
> > Last time I had this problem I tracked it to a conflict between
> > wpa_supplicant and the card driver. Basicly the card driver would send a
> > request to assosiate with mac 00:00:....:00 each time a new card was
> found
> > on the air and wpa_supplicatnt interpreted this as a request from the
> > driver to drop the connection. The driver folks said that this request
> > should be ignored and the wpa_supplicant folks said that this should not
> > be ignored but instead was a disconnect request. Catch 22...
> >
> > Because of this I had to use wep instead of wpa(2) for along time.
>
> I seem to recall this as a problem too, although not in my case.  At work
> there is no encryption and despite this the connection keeps dropping,
> while
> at home I use WPA2.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>


i have the same problem !

when i using amule to download something for a long time (maybe 1 day or
more), next day when i open firefox ,always remind me "cant connect to..."
the same as every new opening software,  but amule still downloading ..

sorry for my english .

here are something about

Linux obb 2.6.34-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 20 17:44:39 CST 2010 i686
Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6300 @ 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC
(rev 01)
    Subsystem: Atheros Communications Inc. Compex Wireless 802.11 b/g
MiniPCI Adapter, Rev A1 [WLM54G]
    Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 168, IRQ 20
    Memory at e1500000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
    Kernel driver in use: ath5k
    Kernel modules: ath5k

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