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* [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19  7:37 [gentoo-user] " meino.cramer
@ 2010-06-19 14:43 ` walt
  2010-06-19 14:55   ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: walt @ 2010-06-19 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 06/19/2010 12:37 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> compilation of setuptools-0.6.12 aborts woth:
> copying tests/api_tests.txt ->  build/src/tests
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "setup.py", line 24, in<module>
>      from lib2to3.main import main
>    File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/main.py", line 12, in<module>
>      from . import refactor
>    File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/refactor.py", line 25, in<module>

Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If so,
try setting it back to python-2.





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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 14:43 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
@ 2010-06-19 14:55   ` meino.cramer
  2010-06-20 17:07     ` walt
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: meino.cramer @ 2010-06-19 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

walt <w41ter@gmail.com> [10-06-19 16:48]:
> On 06/19/2010 12:37 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >compilation of setuptools-0.6.12 aborts woth:
> >copying tests/api_tests.txt ->  build/src/tests
> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "setup.py", line 24, in<module>
> >     from lib2to3.main import main
> >   File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/main.py", line 12, in<module>
> >     from . import refactor
> >   File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/refactor.py", line 25, in<module>
> 
> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If 
> so,
> try setting it back to python-2.
> 
> 

No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of 

    eselect python list

python 3.1 is installed but not selected.

What else can produce this compilation error?

Best regards,
mcc




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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
       [not found]   ` <eX7Gy-425-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
@ 2010-06-19 15:56     ` David W Noon
  2010-06-19 16:06       ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: David W Noon @ 2010-06-19 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:00:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:

>walt <w41ter@gmail.com> [10-06-19 16:48]:
[snip]
>> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If 
>> so,
>> try setting it back to python-2.
>
>No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of 
>
>    eselect python list
>
>python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
>
>What else can produce this compilation error?

Have you run python-updater?

When new packages have Python components, they will build both 2.6 and
3.1 modules if possible.  This means that their dependencies also need
to have both 2.6 and 3.1 modules.  You achieve this by running
python-updater; this can take several hours.
-- 
Regards,

Dave  [RLU #314465]
======================================================================
dwnoon@ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
======================================================================

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 15:56     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12 David W Noon
@ 2010-06-19 16:06       ` meino.cramer
  2010-06-19 17:54         ` Alan McKinnon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: meino.cramer @ 2010-06-19 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

David W Noon <dwnoon@ntlworld.com> [10-06-19 18:00]:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:00:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:
> 
> >walt <w41ter@gmail.com> [10-06-19 16:48]:
> [snip]
> >> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If 
> >> so,
> >> try setting it back to python-2.
> >
> >No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of 
> >
> >    eselect python list
> >
> >python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
> >
> >What else can produce this compilation error?
> 
> Have you run python-updater?
> 
> When new packages have Python components, they will build both 2.6 and
> 3.1 modules if possible.  This means that their dependencies also need
> to have both 2.6 and 3.1 modules.  You achieve this by running
> python-updater; this can take several hours.
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave  [RLU #314465]
> ======================================================================
> dwnoon@ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
> ======================================================================


Hi Dave,

wait...hopefully I understand this correctly, before I start to screw
up my newly installed system...

State 1 right after installing Gentoo: Pyton2.6 selected, installed
and up.
State 2 some days later while upateing python3.1 was offered but
should *not* eselect python 3.1 since some older package are still
not updated to work correctly with 3.1
State 3 setuptools seems to try to compile against 3.1 and failed.

Now I should run python-updater to ... (scratching my head)? 
To update to python 3.1..but setuptools failed while compiling 
against python 3.1

It seems I myself feel a little screwed up,,, ;)

?

Best regards,
mcc





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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
       [not found]       ` <eX8Mi-5Tf-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
@ 2010-06-19 17:44         ` David W Noon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: David W Noon @ 2010-06-19 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:10:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:

[snip]
>wait...hopefully I understand this correctly, before I start to screw
>up my newly installed system...
>
>State 1 right after installing Gentoo: Pyton2.6 selected, installed
>and up.
>State 2 some days later while upateing python3.1 was offered but
>should *not* eselect python 3.1 since some older package are still
>not updated to work correctly with 3.1
>State 3 setuptools seems to try to compile against 3.1 and failed.
>
>Now I should run python-updater to ... (scratching my head)?

You need to run python-updater so that there are python modules for all
packages that are compatible with both releases of Python.  This is
because any such package will attempt to build modules for both Python
interpreters, even though you are currently using only 2.6.

>To update to python 3.1..but setuptools failed while compiling 
>against python 3.1

Just run python-updater first, as this will take care of any
build-time dependencies of setuptools. Then try to emerge your general
updates, which should build setuptools correctly.
-- 
Regards,

Dave  [RLU #314465]
======================================================================
dwnoon@ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
======================================================================

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 16:06       ` meino.cramer
@ 2010-06-19 17:54         ` Alan McKinnon
  2010-06-19 18:30           ` Dale
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-06-19 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: meino.cramer

On Saturday 19 June 2010 18:06:58 meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> David W Noon <dwnoon@ntlworld.com> [10-06-19 18:00]:
> > On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:00:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about Re:
> > 
> > [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:
> > >walt <w41ter@gmail.com> [10-06-19 16:48]:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > >> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If
> > >> so,
> > >> try setting it back to python-2.
> > >
> > >No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of
> > >
> > >    eselect python list
> > >
> > >python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
> > >
> > >What else can produce this compilation error?
> > 
> > Have you run python-updater?
> > 
> > When new packages have Python components, they will build both 2.6 and
> > 3.1 modules if possible.  This means that their dependencies also need
> > to have both 2.6 and 3.1 modules.  You achieve this by running
> > python-updater; this can take several hours.
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> wait...hopefully I understand this correctly, before I start to screw
> up my newly installed system...
> 
> State 1 right after installing Gentoo: Pyton2.6 selected, installed
> and up.
> State 2 some days later while upateing python3.1 was offered but
> should *not* eselect python 3.1 since some older package are still
> not updated to work correctly with 3.1
> State 3 setuptools seems to try to compile against 3.1 and failed.
> 
> Now I should run python-updater to ... (scratching my head)?
> To update to python 3.1..but setuptools failed while compiling
> against python 3.1
> 
> It seems I myself feel a little screwed up,,, ;)
> 
> ?
> 
> Best regards,
> mcc

Did you miss the significance of this part?

"This means that their dependencies also need to have both 2.6 and 3.1 
modules.  You achieve this by running python-updater; this can take several 
hours."

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 17:54         ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2010-06-19 18:30           ` Dale
  2010-06-19 23:38             ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2010-06-19 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 19 June 2010 18:06:58 meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
>    
>> David W Noon<dwnoon@ntlworld.com>  [10-06-19 18:00]:
>>      
>>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:00:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about Re:
>>>
>>> [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:
>>>        
>>>> walt<w41ter@gmail.com>  [10-06-19 16:48]:
>>>>          
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>        
>>>>> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If
>>>>> so,
>>>>> try setting it back to python-2.
>>>>>            
>>>> No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of
>>>>
>>>>     eselect python list
>>>>
>>>> python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
>>>>
>>>> What else can produce this compilation error?
>>>>          
>>> Have you run python-updater?
>>>
>>> When new packages have Python components, they will build both 2.6 and
>>> 3.1 modules if possible.  This means that their dependencies also need
>>> to have both 2.6 and 3.1 modules.  You achieve this by running
>>> python-updater; this can take several hours.
>>>        
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> wait...hopefully I understand this correctly, before I start to screw
>> up my newly installed system...
>>
>> State 1 right after installing Gentoo: Pyton2.6 selected, installed
>> and up.
>> State 2 some days later while upateing python3.1 was offered but
>> should *not* eselect python 3.1 since some older package are still
>> not updated to work correctly with 3.1
>> State 3 setuptools seems to try to compile against 3.1 and failed.
>>
>> Now I should run python-updater to ... (scratching my head)?
>> To update to python 3.1..but setuptools failed while compiling
>> against python 3.1
>>
>> It seems I myself feel a little screwed up,,, ;)
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> mcc
>>      
> Did you miss the significance of this part?
>
> "This means that their dependencies also need to have both 2.6 and 3.1
> modules.  You achieve this by running python-updater; this can take several
> hours."
>
>    

Or if he doesn't really need python 3, he can just mask the thing until 
he does need it.  Of course, he may have to run python-updater again or 
rebuild the same packages again to get them to not use python 3.

Yep, making this stable hasn't confused anyone yet.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 18:30           ` Dale
@ 2010-06-19 23:38             ` meino.cramer
  2010-06-20  1:18               ` David Abbott
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: meino.cramer @ 2010-06-19 23:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> [10-06-20 01:33]:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >On Saturday 19 June 2010 18:06:58 meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> >   
> >>David W Noon<dwnoon@ntlworld.com>  [10-06-19 18:00]:
> >>     
> >>>On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:00:02 +0200, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote about 
> >>>Re:
> >>>
> >>>[gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12:
> >>>       
> >>>>walt<w41ter@gmail.com>  [10-06-19 16:48]:
> >>>>         
> >>>[snip]
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>>>Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  
> >>>>>If
> >>>>>so,
> >>>>>try setting it back to python-2.
> >>>>>           
> >>>>No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of
> >>>>
> >>>>    eselect python list
> >>>>
> >>>>python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
> >>>>
> >>>>What else can produce this compilation error?
> >>>>         
> >>>Have you run python-updater?
> >>>
> >>>When new packages have Python components, they will build both 2.6 
> >>>and
> >>>3.1 modules if possible.  This means that their dependencies also 
> >>>need
> >>>to have both 2.6 and 3.1 modules.  You achieve this by running
> >>>python-updater; this can take several hours.
> >>>       
> >>Hi Dave,
> >>
> >>wait...hopefully I understand this correctly, before I start to screw
> >>up my newly installed system...
> >>
> >>State 1 right after installing Gentoo: Pyton2.6 selected, installed
> >>and up.
> >>State 2 some days later while upateing python3.1 was offered but
> >>should *not* eselect python 3.1 since some older package are still
> >>not updated to work correctly with 3.1
> >>State 3 setuptools seems to try to compile against 3.1 and failed.
> >>
> >>Now I should run python-updater to ... (scratching my head)?
> >>To update to python 3.1..but setuptools failed while compiling
> >>against python 3.1
> >>
> >>It seems I myself feel a little screwed up,,, ;)
> >>
> >>?
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>mcc
> >>     
> >Did you miss the significance of this part?
> >
> >"This means that their dependencies also need to have both 2.6 and 3.1
> >modules.  You achieve this by running python-updater; this can take 
> >several
> >hours."
> >
> >   
> 
> Or if he doesn't really need python 3, he can just mask the thing until 
> he does need it.  Of course, he may have to run python-updater again or 
> rebuild the same packages again to get them to not use python 3.
> 
> Yep, making this stable hasn't confused anyone yet.  o_O
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

Ok, I run python-updater and It fails with (guess...drumroll):



 * Messages for package dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12:

 * ERROR: dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12 failed:
 *   Building failed with CPython 3.1 in distutils_building() function
 *
 * Call stack:
 *     ebuild.sh, line   54:  Called src_compile
 *   environment, line 4627:  Called distutils_src_compile
 *   environment, line 1257:  Called python_execute_function 'distutils_building'
 *   environment, line 3405:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *                       die "${failure_message}";
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12',
 * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12'.
 * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12/temp/environment'.
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12/work/distribute-0.6.12'
 *
 * The following package has failed to build or install:
 *
 *  ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12', 'merge'), Log file:
 *   '/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/setuptools-0.6.12/temp/build.log'
 *


And yes: I need python 3.1 (building the svn version of blender needs
it, which gets installed under /uss/local/...)

Is this the infamous cat, which bits into its own tail... ?

Best regards,
mcc






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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 23:38             ` meino.cramer
@ 2010-06-20  1:18               ` David Abbott
  2010-06-20  2:59                 ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: David Abbott @ 2010-06-20  1:18 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:38 PM,  <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> And yes: I need python 3.1 (building the svn version of blender needs
> it, which gets installed under /uss/local/...)
>
> Is this the infamous cat, which bits into its own tail... ?
>
> Best regards,
> mcc
>

You can set your main active version of python as 2.6, and still have
3.1 installed to build and run Blender.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/developersguide.xml

I have not seen the ebuild you are using for your svn version of
blender so not sure if it will work as is.
Python is not ready as yet to run as your main active version yet and
looks like you found one of the reasons.

-- 
David Abbott (dabbott)



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-20  1:18               ` David Abbott
@ 2010-06-20  2:59                 ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: meino.cramer @ 2010-06-20  2:59 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

David Abbott <david@pythontoo.com> [10-06-20 04:51]:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:38 PM,  <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> > And yes: I need python 3.1 (building the svn version of blender needs
> > it, which gets installed under /uss/local/...)
> >
> > Is this the infamous cat, which bits into its own tail... ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > mcc
> >
> 
> You can set your main active version of python as 2.6, and still have
> 3.1 installed to build and run Blender.
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/developersguide.xml
> 
> I have not seen the ebuild you are using for your svn version of
> blender so not sure if it will work as is.
> Python is not ready as yet to run as your main active version yet and
> looks like you found one of the reasons.
> 
> -- 
> David Abbott (dabbott)
> 


May I cite myself from a previous posting into this thread:

> No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of 
> 
>     eselect python list
> 
> python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
> 
> What else can produce this compilation error?
> 
> Best regards,
> mcc
> 


I am not using an ebuild for the svn-version of Blender.
It is compiled "outside" Gentoo, installed under /usr/local 
and the only thing, which may have "system-impact" (...) is
one big executable: Blender itsself. The whole thing cant
have any influence on the rest of the system.

And as said, eselect reports:

eselect python list
Available Python interpreters:
  [1]   python2.6 *
  [2]   python3.1

Best regards,
mcc




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* [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-19 14:55   ` meino.cramer
@ 2010-06-20 17:07     ` walt
  2010-06-20 17:34       ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: walt @ 2010-06-20 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 06/19/2010 07:55 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> walt<w41ter@gmail.com>  [10-06-19 16:48]:
>> On 06/19/2010 12:37 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> compilation of setuptools-0.6.12 aborts woth:
>>> copying tests/api_tests.txt ->   build/src/tests
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>    File "setup.py", line 24, in<module>
>>>      from lib2to3.main import main
>>>    File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/main.py", line 12, in<module>
>>>      from . import refactor
>>>    File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/refactor.py", line 25, in<module>
>>
>> Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If
>> so,
>> try setting it back to python-2.
>>
>>
>
> No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of
>
>      eselect python list
>
> python 3.1 is installed but not selected.

Just for fun, try re-emerging app-admin/eselect-python and use it to
select python3 and then go back to python2 again.

This is just guesswork.  I'm not sure if the installer for setuptools is
actually using the right version of refactor.py.  Maybe it should be using
the python2 version of refactor?  Dunno.  Can't hurt to try it.





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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Compilation aborted for setuptools-0.6.12
  2010-06-20 17:07     ` walt
@ 2010-06-20 17:34       ` meino.cramer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: meino.cramer @ 2010-06-20 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

walt <w41ter@gmail.com> [10-06-20 19:12]:
> On 06/19/2010 07:55 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> >walt<w41ter@gmail.com>  [10-06-19 16:48]:
> >>On 06/19/2010 12:37 AM, meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>compilation of setuptools-0.6.12 aborts woth:
> >>>copying tests/api_tests.txt ->   build/src/tests
> >>>Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>>   File "setup.py", line 24, in<module>
> >>>     from lib2to3.main import main
> >>>   File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/main.py", line 12, in<module>
> >>>     from . import refactor
> >>>   File "/usr/lib/python3.1/lib2to3/refactor.py", line 25, 
> >>>in<module>
> >>
> >>Have you set eselect python to use python-3 instead of python-2?  If
> >>so,
> >>try setting it back to python-2.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, python 2.6 ist set according to the output of
> >
> >     eselect python list
> >
> >python 3.1 is installed but not selected.
> 
> Just for fun, try re-emerging app-admin/eselect-python and use it to
> select python3 and then go back to python2 again.
> 
> This is just guesswork.  I'm not sure if the installer for setuptools 
> is
> actually using the right version of refactor.py.  Maybe it should be 
> using
> the python2 version of refactor?  Dunno.  Can't hurt to try it.
> 
> 

Hi,

thanks for your posting! :)

I did what you suggested, but it did not change the situation in
any way.

Best regards,
mcc




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