From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OIuj3-0004Yo-TX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 May 2010 02:27:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7DB3E078A; Mon, 31 May 2010 02:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.osagesoftware.com (osagesoftware.com [216.144.204.42]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94480E078A for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 02:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from osage.osagesoftware.com (osage.osagesoftware.com [192.168.1.10]) by mail.osagesoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044647BC42 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:26:19 -0400 From: David Relson To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rsync to a USB stick Message-ID: <20100530222619.340ccce1@osage.osagesoftware.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201005291001.50752.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20100529075931.5e49c2ce@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20100530114821.577a00bc@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Organization: Osage Software Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 651e1e6b-2608-4d84-afd3-87e36ab24fed X-Archives-Hash: ed68ee1c771a3261f9097d6981709f30 On Sun, 30 May 2010 14:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-05-30, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sat, 29 May 2010 07:59:31 -0400, David Relson wrote: > > > >> Indeed flash drives _do_ have a lifetime. My recollection is that > >> it's in the thousands of writes if not the hundreds of thousands > >> of writes. Assuming a life of 1,000 writes and you backup once > >> daily, that's 3 years of backups. 10,000 writes would be 30 > >> years. Of course if you backup every hour, 10,000 writes is a > >> year (or so). > > > > You're assuming that each backup only writes once, which is far from > > true. If you mount a drive with the sync option, the FAT is updated > > for every block you write, so even a single file can cause > > thousands of writes to the same location. > > And you're assuming that the flash controller chip in the USB drive > doesn't do wear-leavelling. FWIW, I have enabled synchronous writes for a Disk-On-Module (SSD) formatted ext2. It makes writing take significantly longer and I have had a DOM go bad (become unusable). Admittedly, I don't know whether the DOM does wear-levelling and I don't know the underlying cause of the failure. In any case it was "Not Good (tm)" ...