[gentoo-user] Newbie question

[gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Madhurya Kakati]

Hi,
I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo.
I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the
options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna
mess up grub.
Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo.
> I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the
> options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna
> mess up grub.
> Thanks
>
>

If Arch uses grub then just skip the Gentoo grub install and use
what's already installed. Add the Gentoo boot stuff to your existing
grub.conf file and you're good to go.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Madhurya Kakati]

On 5/25/2010 9:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>> I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo.
>> I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the
>> options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna
>> mess up grub.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>     
> If Arch uses grub then just skip the Gentoo grub install and use
> what's already installed. Add the Gentoo boot stuff to your existing
> grub.conf file and you're good to go.
>
> - Mark
>
>   
Yea I thought of that but what do i have to add to menu.lst (this one
right?).

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Philip Webb]

100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote:
> I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo.

Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time & attention,
but is not difficult & gives you real control on how you use your machine.

> I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo,

Not really.

> but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically?

You can keep your whole Arch & M$ systems in separate partitions,
while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside.

> I really dont wanna mess up Grub.

I use Lilo, which is easier if you don't change things often,
but you sb able to find advice re Grub here or on the Gentoo Forum.

First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully,
then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Madhurya Kakati]

Philip, Thanks for the detailed answer.
On 5/25/2010 9:09 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
> 100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote:
>   
>> I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo.
>>     
> Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time & attention,
> but is not difficult & gives you real control on how you use your machine.
>
>   
Only reason i will be using gentoo is for this ;)
>> I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo,
>>     
> Not really.
>
>   
>> but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically?
>>     
> You can keep your whole Arch & M$ systems in separate partitions,
> while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside.
>
>   
>> I really dont wanna mess up Grub.
>>     
> I use Lilo, which is easier if you don't change things often,
> but you sb able to find advice re Grub here or on the Gentoo Forum.
>
> First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully,
> then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo.
>   
I have read that many times. Just need to get a printout now.

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Alex Schuster]

Madhurya Kakati writes:

> Philip, Thanks for the detailed answer.

Yeah, that was a nice one.

> On 5/25/2010 9:09 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote:
> >> I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out
> >> Gentoo.
> > 
> > Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time & attention,
> > but is not difficult & gives you real control on how you use your
> > machine.
> 
> Only reason i will be using gentoo is for this ;)
> 
> >> I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo,
> > 
> > Not really.
> > 
> >> but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images
> >> automatically?

Gentoo itself does nothing - there is no automatic installer, YOU do the 
whole installation. You do not want to overwrite Grub? Well, then just 
skip this section in the Gentoo Handbook. Just add an entry for your 
Gentoo to you menu.lst. If you do not know what to add exactly, well, I'd 
suggest to read a little more about grub :)  Gentoo is special, there are 
many things to do by yourself, which users of other distributions often do 
not have to do. 

> > You can keep your whole Arch & M$ systems in separate partitions,
> > while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside.
> > 
> >> I really dont wanna mess up Grub.

Well, just add something like
kernel /vmlinuz-gentoo root=/dev/sda7
to the menu.lst, but the exact parameters depend on your setup. In this 
case, Arch Linux and Gentoo would use the same /boot partition, so you 
just select another kernel image, and give the root device as kernel 
parameter. If it does not work, reboot into Arch Linux, and fix the error. 
And ask here if you are having problems.


> > First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully,
> > then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo.
> 
> I have read that many times. Just need to get a printout now.

Just in case you print it so have it handy when installing Gentoo... 
there's probably no need for that (unless your are changing the 
architecture from 32bit to 64bit, then this would not work). You do not 
need to boot from a Gentoo CD, as you already have a running Linux, with 
everything needed to set up partitions for Gentoo, output some Gentoo 
stuff into them, and chroot into the new Gentoo system and do the rest of 
the install.
So, boot into Arch Linux, and then do the Gentoo install. And keep using 
your Arch system until you think Gentoo is fully operational.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Arttu V.]

On 5/25/10, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo.
> I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the
> options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna
> mess up grub.

You'll minimize your grub configuration work and pretty much
neutralize any risk to your currently installed OSes by testing and
trying out Gentoo in a virtualized system.

For example VirtualBox is freely available and takes only a few mouse
clicks to configure a virtual machine specifically suitable for Gentoo
(or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Fedora, or OpenSUSE, or ...), then you
just attach the CD ISO to the virtual machine (clickety-click, 3
clicks if it's on the Desktop?), and boot (doubleclick). Next you do
the install, which in Gentoo's case means following the Gentoo
Handbook.

You can keep important tools like irc-client, your favourite search
engine and Gentoo Handbook browser window running in the host OS,
jumping between the host and guest with a single mouse click and right
ctrl key to get back. And that's just using the default settings out
of the box.

Try it out once. It hooked me after the 15 minutes it took to make the
first virtual image (and that's where I read all the labels and
options). Naturally, YMMV.

-- 
Arttu V.

[gentoo-user] Re: Newbie question

[Madhurya Kakati]

The gentoo user community is so helpfull. Thanks guys.

On 5/25/10, Arttu V. <arttuv69@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/10, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo.
>> I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the
>> options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna
>> mess up grub.
>
> You'll minimize your grub configuration work and pretty much
> neutralize any risk to your currently installed OSes by testing and
> trying out Gentoo in a virtualized system.
>
> For example VirtualBox is freely available and takes only a few mouse
> clicks to configure a virtual machine specifically suitable for Gentoo
> (or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Fedora, or OpenSUSE, or ...), then you
> just attach the CD ISO to the virtual machine (clickety-click, 3
> clicks if it's on the Desktop?), and boot (doubleclick). Next you do
> the install, which in Gentoo's case means following the Gentoo
> Handbook.
>
> You can keep important tools like irc-client, your favourite search
> engine and Gentoo Handbook browser window running in the host OS,
> jumping between the host and guest with a single mouse click and right
> ctrl key to get back. And that's just using the default settings out
> of the box.
>
> Try it out once. It hooked me after the 15 minutes it took to make the
> first virtual image (and that's where I read all the labels and
> options). Naturally, YMMV.
>
> --
> Arttu V.
>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question

[Madhurya Kakati]

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On 5/25/2010 10:34 PM, Arttu V. wrote:
> On 5/25/10, Madhurya Kakati <mkakati2805@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try
>> out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will
>> it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically?
>> I really dont wanna mess up grub.
>
> You'll minimize your grub configuration work and pretty much
> neutralize any risk to your currently installed OSes by testing
> and trying out Gentoo in a virtualized system.
>
> For example VirtualBox is freely available and takes only a few
> mouse clicks to configure a virtual machine specifically suitable
> for Gentoo (or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Fedora, or OpenSUSE, or
> ...), then you just attach the CD ISO to the virtual machine
> (clickety-click, 3 clicks if it's on the Desktop?), and boot
> (doubleclick). Next you do the install, which in Gentoo's case
> means following the Gentoo Handbook.
>
> You can keep important tools like irc-client, your favourite
> search engine and Gentoo Handbook browser window running in the
> host OS, jumping between the host and guest with a single mouse
> click and right ctrl key to get back. And that's just using the
> default settings out of the box.
>
> Try it out once. It hooked me after the 15 minutes it took to make
> the first virtual image (and that's where I read all the labels
> and options). Naturally, YMMV.
>
will try that out soon
thanks :)
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