From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OGCag-0003jb-G5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:55:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29F9AE0845; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AA8E0845 for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1872508fxm.40 for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=LaXgASKHg+5Dfk6QXD6LA48z/OWjM5O1ig4nhNMjjsk=; b=Tu+uFo/4zdT8sAML4qgPi9vKcGb8JyBCy+bT8P84LOWavTBlwuiGtFlyOdr2WLJttu SMGSRzEy0zsVqZWz+gspoMakdElk9H9Zfd1O5ziFEDy9Wb9xXK4UfiMxufBG1veGEi22 p+omTuY88PzYkv8/Fi74YQkxnkpx360RNX0Tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=dmMHEh7HvuHXkiUKI+LSfREDmKPlo75QjdUtirbPr0NOyktEXlHNsZD3g5T51DjeJy RBnVUNTy+gSmKtSODtaMVqITZdNTLdBkqPJYKf8w9RPZxFfnl2HyUveTCR2qgM4hPKrP g9W9xTKhi5Vx9nJ9EgfuvNtKhBPKznWUtfDtI= Received: by 10.223.92.154 with SMTP id r26mr3653302fam.33.1274626535093; Sun, 23 May 2010 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (p5DCC0AED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.10.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm14870803faj.5.2010.05.23.07.55.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 May 2010 07:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] Phonon + PulseAudio Problem Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:55:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.33.3r4; KDE/4.4.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <201005192159.29314.koesterreich@gmx.net> <201005231609.52534.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <201005231540.48274.shrdlu@unlimitedmail.org> In-Reply-To: <201005231540.48274.shrdlu@unlimitedmail.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201005231655.33201.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 2989ab81-ff18-4f59-9e0e-2e32b07e1dce X-Archives-Hash: e1db91a923519b26eaf74eb44a64e1bc On Sonntag 23 Mai 2010, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > On Sunday 23 May 2010, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Sonntag 23 Mai 2010, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Sunday 23 May 2010 12:21:39 Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > > > > It would be great if mailing list software could be configured so > > > > that only users who demonstrate they know how to unsubscribe could > > > > subscribe in the first place. Example: > > > > > > > > - user subscribes > > > > - mailing list replies: "please unsubscribe and subscribe again" > > > > - if user fails to do so within a configurable amount of time, > > > > forcibly unsubscribe him > > > > - if user succeeds, leave him subscribed after the second > > > > subscription. > > > > > > And how often would you impose refresher tests? Anyone's memory is > > > fallible, as no-one knows better than I do. > > > > > > Better for this purpose would be to require all mailing lists to > > > operate in the same way, but that's equally unlikely, as well as > > > undesirable. > > > > > > > Just saying... > > > > > > What does that mean? I had a mother-in-law once who often added it to a > > > critical remark, and I never understood what she meant by it either. > > > > and for the uncurable stupid, unsubscribe instructions are in the header > > of > > > every mail send: > I wouldn't call people who don't know how to unsubscribe stupid, as they > most certainly aren't. > But for sure, they should know how to find that information if needed, and > all the "HELP UNSUBSCRIBE" kind of messages clearly show that they don't. > > And even your posting of the instructions now, cannot help future > subscribers who won't read your email. That's why it would probably be > better (in my opinion) to append the instructions to every message. But > this is a very old debate and was discussed to death many times in the > past, so I'm certainly not going to further it (and I hope it won't start > another endless thread). > > (this is not directed to you Volker) > > If somebody wants to flame or continue to criticize, feel free to do that, > I won't reply anyway as I have nothing more to add to what I've said > already. yeah, 'search mailing list archive' is such a hard thing to do. Why again should laziness be tolerated?