From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OGCJU-00013I-L4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:38:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA3B3E082B; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8E1E082B for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 14:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1867650fxm.40 for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=1KXRZkLP1iGhL5ID0UkG+gkY/ZfcPZS6MPhi9m7O46g=; b=gV6fuJfrjIjxoi1iRmWlt/VHy+MBUpWMaJ87Y1C26eRZybjz2A7Eidt5mkgzXxk3dT IAE56LCjXR0pauByYJnrQ4o+CeKIFaBKykBa7FLsvFztpNp8ErtBg5T5lgAAN9HJUVjo QpLcbZ6YVhh4AJOFh/rlqPRwgo2LhEAmj9MCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=gmgKaa2i1ABGlMseJBiRMhEJNvbtVMlngw0bGxphh736o1NcOViWyj2euzRZQsJuml PgiYX3XPkg+AOXzEa+jPIAvMz3qwu6QVTUGa91hcQBUs+TVOI9LMiVkwJe0syfPlw48N vdsFMfW8A4Wi7QKKH5WfHb73GgimKD74jiSTI= Received: by 10.223.22.145 with SMTP id n17mr3637896fab.23.1274625456001; Sun, 23 May 2010 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (p5DCC0AED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.10.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm14795529fav.13.2010.05.23.07.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 May 2010 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:37:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.33.3r4; KDE/4.4.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <201005192159.29314.koesterreich@gmx.net> <4BF83F23.3070801@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BF83F23.3070801@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201005231637.34059.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 886e7a5c-38b6-44a3-b8ee-6cf020e62a53 X-Archives-Hash: 24ff81db44f6579a03a9208514580f83 On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Barry Jibb wrote: > On 22/05/10 21:26, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras=20 > > wrote: [snip] > >=20 > >> I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I > >> sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do > >> the same in Linux. > >=20 > > You can; but you have to use special software, because yours is a > > special case. The normal desktop/laptop user does not use a synth. > >=20 > >> ALSA/Pulse needing third-party stuff just to get basics right > >> (acceptable latency; not *ultra* low latency, just acceptable one) is a > >> sign that they're not designed right. > >=20 > > Your definition of "acceptable" is *ultra* low to me, and many others. > > To me acceptable latency means that the audio system does not waste my > > laptop/phone battery. > >=20 > >> And in the end, you know what? Even if OSS4 had a broken design, it's > >> still better, because it works better. > >=20 > > This is your principal problem: you think your use-case is universal, > > and it's not. To me Alsa+PulseAudio works better because it allows the > > battery of my laptop to last for hours while I see a movie with my > > bluetooth headset. With the latencies you want, that's not possible. I > > believe my use-case is more general. > >=20 > >> At least it gets the basics right. Other > >>=20 > >> operating systems are much more advanced in that manner. It's ALSA that > >> holds Linux audio back. > >=20 > > Jack uses ALSA. From the Jack FAQ page (http://jackaudio.org/faq): > >=20 > > > > Doesn't use JACK add latency? > >=20 > > There is NO extra latency caused by using JACK for audio input and > > output. When we say none, we mean absolutely zero. The only impact of > > using JACK is a slight increase in the amount of work done by the CPU > > to process a given chunk of audio, which means that in theory you > > could not get 100% of the processing power that you might get it if > > your application(s) used ALSA or CoreAudio directly. However, given > > that the difference is less than 1%, and that your system will be > > unstable before you get close to 80% of the theoretical processing > > power, the effect is completely disregardable. > > > >=20 > > ALSA works great. And for regular users, with PulseAudio both are full > > of awesome awesomeness. For your use-case, you should try Jack. > >=20 > > Regards. >=20 > Can someone unsubscribe me please?!?!?!?!?!? READ THE FUCKING HELP IN THE EMAIL HEADER: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org UNSUBSCRIBE YOURSELF