From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OFtIG-0002BQ-1m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:19:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41307E0C58; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E8E0C58 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 18:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1604070fxm.40 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=BrODFfRzOYXgIPGNEtlZow1sSUYTRZyQL2P9B4ToqOI=; b=ViqTPlrJ2tmxE/BVaxv4Lv91QmIAKaYkhOCXQpxyDqWSxv8j7xdJw1l1TDLkgzup/P JEi4Hut35gZslyOiHgkqmb2aPSH5rvDXlnFQwUHg8A49uei3K5eetvTzFq2SrsUG+oHK PQO4qslhAvFAlWpSDwnz3LNf+81vIPHv42neI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=sJ4wJvHtQQSd5RoQizTckKTCRVviWO543nGwh59d2Kvax+9fZ+TsFys4vAumvNPS4q UH9EYG5qCQSwpU1r/pHdJyfxpN0/YknaGWt8zUk9sSm5z1X6iu4iP7SS90KTjSkFYFep hkB1sOF09whaTUS/VPnxaY6ssGmqzan8lP83M= Received: by 10.223.15.216 with SMTP id l24mr2877037faa.92.1274552338235; Sat, 22 May 2010 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (p5DCC0A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.10.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r25sm10596892fai.11.2010.05.22.11.18.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 May 2010 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:18:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.33.3r4; KDE/4.4.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <201005192159.29314.koesterreich@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201005222018.55943.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 8026da2e-de6d-45c9-ad2d-5125f5b6713f X-Archives-Hash: 33e277c5442b84d48c783a8dfa2500de On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 05/22/2010 07:59 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras =20 wrote: > >> Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the > >> sound actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with > >> ALSA/dmix, and around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not funny trying to > >> play something in a software synth with a keyboard when having a 30ms > >> latency. > >=20 > > As I said, you're doing it wrong. No "normal" (average desktop, media > > center, laptop, linux-phone) user needs 10ms of latency in audio. > > That's overkill. Yours is a special case, and you need special > > software. Try Jack. >=20 > I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I > sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do > the same in Linux. >=20 > Windows: I don't need Jack there. Audio latency is low even with > non-ASIO drivers. >=20 > Linux: I suddenly need "Jack" and specialty hacks and must do without a > mixer! No thanks. OSSv4 allows me to use my machine in the same manner > as Windows: It just works and does the right thing regardless of the > application I'm running. >=20 > ALSA/Pulse needing third-party stuff just to get basics right > (acceptable latency; not *ultra* low latency, just acceptable one) is a > sign that they're not designed right. >=20 > And OSS4 dying because of kernel-mixing is a bit far-stretched. "No FP > mixing in kernel" is Linux-specific. Other kernels don't have a problem > with that. >=20 > And in the end, you know what? Even if OSS4 had a broken design, it's > still better, because it works better. At least it gets the basics > right. Other operating systems are much more advanced in that manner. > It's ALSA that holds Linux audio back. in case that it works at all. OSSv4 fucked up very hard here. And for some magical reasons, I have no problem at all with latencies. But sometimes you complain about latencies, and when people showing up, tha= t=20 lats are not a problem, you switch over to 'volume' and 'mixing'. Just to=20 ignore the facts presented there. Go troll somewhere else. Maybe the OSS fanboy mailing list.