[gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Hello

I'm not sure how to specify the topic in more detail. Over the last to hours I 
tried to get KDE4 to behave like it did before I rebuilt my system. My goal is 
to have a German layout with dead keys. In the process I've even gotten the 
system to react to the menu key again. But apart from that, for some reason, 
KDE4 won't behave like I want it to.

I say KDE4 because KDE3 apparently works. I know because login with KDM4 
doesn't work at the moment, so I'm using KDM3. There I can input accented 
letters of all sorts (in the username input field). But not in KDM4 and not in 
my KDE4 environment.

I also tried it with and without KDE's own keyboard layout settings, where I 
set up a de layout of default variant (thus with dead keys). But to no avail.

Here's the content of my hal config file:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<deviceinfo version="0.2">
  <device>
    <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard">
      <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbRules" type="string">evdev</merge>
      <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbModel" type="string">evdev</merge>

      <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">de</merge>
      <merge key="input.xkb.options" 
type="strlist">menu:Multi_key,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp</merge>
    </match>
  </device>
</deviceinfo>

It worked before[TM], and I have no idea where else to look. Any ideas please?
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[YoYo siska]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 01:49:04PM +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I'm not sure how to specify the topic in more detail. Over the last to hours I 
> tried to get KDE4 to behave like it did before I rebuilt my system. My goal is 
> to have a German layout with dead keys. In the process I've even gotten the 
> system to react to the menu key again. But apart from that, for some reason, 
> KDE4 won't behave like I want it to.
> 
> I say KDE4 because KDE3 apparently works. I know because login with KDM4 
> doesn't work at the moment, so I'm using KDM3. There I can input accented 
> letters of all sorts (in the username input field). But not in KDM4 and not in 
> my KDE4 environment.
> 
> I also tried it with and without KDE's own keyboard layout settings, where I 
> set up a de layout of default variant (thus with dead keys). But to no avail.
> 
> Here's the content of my hal config file:
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <deviceinfo version="0.2">
>   <device>
>     <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard">
>       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbRules" type="string">evdev</merge>
>       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbModel" type="string">evdev</merge>
> 
>       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">de</merge>
>       <merge key="input.xkb.options" 
> type="strlist">menu:Multi_key,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp</merge>
>     </match>
>   </device>
> </deviceinfo>
> 
> It worked before[TM], and I have no idea where else to look. Any ideas please?

I think taht KDE4 do not touch your initial keyboard settings (xorg.conf or
hal,...) unless  you change something in its keyboard config
(systemsettings ->regional&language->keyboard layout )
maybe that you have wrong keyboard set explicitly there?

I have "disable keyboard layouts" under the "layout" tab selected,
but I can't say if it really works correctly (keeps the X
configuration defaults) right now, because I can't restart X right now,
and I change between
'setxkbmap -option grp:shifts_toggle sk,us qwerty,'
and a simple 
'setxkbmap us'
with some scripts, because the dual layout confuses some apps like
synergy, x2x, rdesktop, even some vnc clients... 


what happens if you you type "setxkbmap de" in an terminal (konsole,
xterm,...) after kde starts up?

yoyo

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[YoYo siska]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 02:30:49PM +0100, YoYo siska wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 01:49:04PM +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > I'm not sure how to specify the topic in more detail. Over the last to hours I 
> > tried to get KDE4 to behave like it did before I rebuilt my system. My goal is 
> > to have a German layout with dead keys. In the process I've even gotten the 
> > system to react to the menu key again. But apart from that, for some reason, 
> > KDE4 won't behave like I want it to.
> > 
> > I say KDE4 because KDE3 apparently works. I know because login with KDM4 
> > doesn't work at the moment, so I'm using KDM3. There I can input accented 
> > letters of all sorts (in the username input field). But not in KDM4 and not in 
> > my KDE4 environment.
> > 
> > I also tried it with and without KDE's own keyboard layout settings, where I 
> > set up a de layout of default variant (thus with dead keys). But to no avail.
> > 
> > Here's the content of my hal config file:
> > 
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > <deviceinfo version="0.2">
> >   <device>
> >     <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard">
> >       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbRules" type="string">evdev</merge>
> >       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbModel" type="string">evdev</merge>
> > 
> >       <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">de</merge>
> >       <merge key="input.xkb.options" 
> > type="strlist">menu:Multi_key,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp</merge>
> >     </match>
> >   </device>
> > </deviceinfo>
> > 
> > It worked before[TM], and I have no idea where else to look. Any ideas please?
> 
> I think taht KDE4 do not touch your initial keyboard settings (xorg.conf or
> hal,...) unless  you change something in its keyboard config
> (systemsettings ->regional&language->keyboard layout )
> maybe that you have wrong keyboard set explicitly there?
> 
> I have "disable keyboard layouts" under the "layout" tab selected,
> but I can't say if it really works correctly (keeps the X
> configuration defaults) right now, because I can't restart X right now,
> and I change between
> 'setxkbmap -option grp:shifts_toggle sk,us qwerty,'
> and a simple 
> 'setxkbmap us'
> with some scripts, because the dual layout confuses some apps like
> synergy, x2x, rdesktop, even some vnc clients... 
> 
> 
> what happens if you you type "setxkbmap de" in an terminal (konsole,
> xterm,...) after kde starts up?


and of course you can check your current settings with 
setxkbmap -print

yoyo

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[Crístian Viana]

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I have the same problem as you have (but I need a pt_BR keyboard layout
instead of de). I can't get it work with KDE 4 and Xorg/HAL, so my solution
was to emerge xorg-server with USE flag "hal" disabled :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Crístian Viana:
> I have the same problem as you have (but I need a pt_BR keyboard layout
> instead of de). I can't get it work with KDE 4 and Xorg/HAL, so my solution
> was to emerge xorg-server with USE flag "hal" disabled :-)

You're not Dale under cover, are you? ;-)
It _did_ work before, but I can't remember any more what was different. KDM4 
not logging in due to a pam authentication error also only appeared in the new 
system, it wasn't broken in the old one. :-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Crístian Viana:
> I have the same problem as you have (but I need a pt_BR keyboard layout
> instead of de). I can't get it work with KDE 4 and Xorg/HAL, so my solution
> was to emerge xorg-server with USE flag "hal" disabled :-)

I found the solution (at least for me, though it’s possible that it is your 
cause as well, I don’t really think it is).

In my old system I had ibus installed so I could (theoretically) input 
Chinese, Japanese and the likes. I can’t read or write either of those, I only 
installed it for the unlikely case that a person who does wants to use my 
computer. So I didn’t install it again, but I still had the necessary 
environment variables set (XMODIFIERS, QT_IM_MODULE, GTK_MODULE). By removing 
them from my environment, all is fine again. :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 doesn't heed hal keyboard settings

[Crístian Viana]

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hey Frank, that was exactly my problem! :-) I also had ibus installed and I
had those variables set. now they don't exist, my keyboard is [almost]
working with HAL. now some other problems came up (like 1) when I press /,
the cursor goes to the beginning of the text field and then the character /
is displayed; 2) when I pressed DEL it emits PrtScn and then DEL). but it's
a start, I've never imagined that ibus was the cause of this.

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