From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntpjl-0002mT-Gh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:04:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4AFBE090B; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com (mail-ew0-f217.google.com [209.85.219.217]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67847E090B for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so432301ewy.29 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=+Mtxnb22zV4NVGX9czv1Hb+FFFi8jEIPqs1UMBQzOG8=; b=ji2kIJJopXpAg/lohgpx8PJS0DxcfPo8MzpZ9Dt4HaRe7A4+lI8hAnrs8nl7Em+6WR fd42MHVB/kHdnzThp7BkS9wRYx/z5pQvn4WOUllKFeP6GZvpWxw6q0cnvxzTdEXiMRC2 gB7NhcyQ9Zn7uQ07OcXilKHZ8tyoe+q3FcAmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=J+T13MeFSgOrU9LG9wf4d6MaJOdgc9CDdEM8cIi9N0gmHImczleRbBJODbA87ZPDQJ cZKndSAltlWqzSoKrPQqCH50peYc3nN5mBjs/QPzb/HTwekGwwzLDFzowp1blFacxS7P hPd/qoJ/rIxdTwB2E5pr+wJhfiRbWV3p4vSRo= Received: by 10.213.55.148 with SMTP id u20mr324347ebg.85.1269295471832; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Cauthorn.Fullrate (0110ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk [90.185.49.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2336004ewy.10.2010.03.22.15.04.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:54 +0100 From: Zeerak Mustafa Waseem To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help Message-ID: <20100322220252.GA2700@Cauthorn.Fullrate> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <201003201803.12902.info@i-vartai.lt> <201003221917.54950.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4BA7C336.1000103@konstantinhansen.de> <201003222336.59294.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201003222336.59294.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: e66ded21-da1e-44d6-bc5d-d875e3aa0f88 X-Archives-Hash: 1fe0dba82656f0a75066dda85d206342 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote: > > Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: > > > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows t= ax > > > on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular > > > laptop. > >=20 > > You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are > > lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. > >=20 > > kh >=20 >=20 > Yeah right, good luck with that. >=20 > Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 = =66rom=20 > Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a P= R=20 > exercise. >=20 > Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hard= ware=20 > vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install n= ot a=20 > box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with= =20 > Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where = the=20 > machine does not have Windows. >=20 > There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you wh= at=20 > you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that ve= ndors=20 > sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant=20 > Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows,= the=20 > exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and= =20 > servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what the= y=20 > like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota d= ealer=20 > is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hond= as as=20 > well. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com >=20 Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else = as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the marke= t was more open than it's current state. That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without t= he MS tax. --=20 Zeerak Waseem --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLp+kMAAoJEBS1NNgpgWuWU/kH/0RErmZwKYB9gAcW6vNSIRqS uXLMn+uTysGm8vS8jTbrYHTQPwpzSs9rfHqpLlPIIVIAQASCP9eNi3Ymni5KDkGo J573MicwuBAvUKV+OScVBSw4GbBeyapTzCvXorkBr6qUelzYaFpu/DW7XPEKoEU3 0CVBAO2w70c6Pi2J07KdFnBdqvGBKIjH5NXbSCXs6+ArLwTVgsbCShHl0E7l2ddW dVMIMFbOXEWRfRe8KDBoSfghxCfOLZOpY83V3cUvKcagGvW00Y15OvYv8knRBg+B rFN8OtJp1PNpl49i98K5X9PoUrbv6fN/ZaTgWli/n5tVFNR/CBSSQ0cqv/cFXq4= =63l/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS--