From: Zeerak Mustafa Waseem <zeerak.w@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100322220252.GA2700@Cauthorn.Fullrate> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003222336.59294.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
> > Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> > > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
> > > on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
> > > laptop.
> >
> > You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> > lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> >
> > kh
>
>
> Yeah right, good luck with that.
>
> Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from
> Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR
> exercise.
>
> Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware
> vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a
> box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with
> Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the
> machine does not have Windows.
>
> There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what
> you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors
> sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant
> Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the
> exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and
> servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they
> like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer
> is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as
> well.
>
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as such.
I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market was more open than it's current state.
That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.
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Zeerak Waseem
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-20 16:03 [gentoo-user] help Dainius Matusevičius
2010-03-20 16:58 ` [gentoo-user] help Nikos Chantziaras
2010-03-20 17:02 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-20 17:55 ` Crístian Viana
2010-03-20 18:12 ` Dale
2010-03-20 18:46 ` Florian Philipp
2010-03-20 19:08 ` Michael Sullivan
2010-03-20 20:46 ` Dale
2010-03-20 21:28 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-03-20 22:15 ` Dale
2010-03-21 0:46 ` Stroller
2010-03-22 16:54 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-22 17:05 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-03-22 19:17 ` Mick
2010-03-22 19:21 ` KH
2010-03-22 19:40 ` Mick
2010-03-22 20:33 ` Mike Edenfield
2010-03-22 20:41 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-03-22 20:55 ` Neil Walker
2010-03-22 22:00 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-22 22:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-22 22:56 ` Mick
2010-03-22 23:42 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-22 23:47 ` Dale
2010-03-23 10:26 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-22 20:46 ` Neil Walker
2010-03-22 21:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-22 22:02 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem [this message]
2010-03-22 22:09 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-23 4:45 ` Stroller
2010-03-22 22:01 ` Stroller
2010-03-22 22:04 ` KH
2010-03-22 22:49 ` Stroller
2010-03-22 22:51 ` Mick
2010-03-22 23:21 ` KH
2010-03-22 23:23 ` KH
2010-03-22 23:38 ` Dale
2010-03-23 0:51 ` walt
2010-03-23 11:02 ` KH
2010-03-23 4:30 ` Stroller
2010-03-23 13:11 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-03-23 4:36 ` Stroller
2010-03-24 5:03 ` [gentoo-user] Shhhhhhh... it's not a tax; it's actually a subsidy Walter Dnes
2010-03-23 4:52 ` [gentoo-user] Re: help Stroller
2010-03-21 12:23 ` KH
2010-03-20 19:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-24 18:30 ` Keith Dart
2010-03-24 19:13 ` Hazen Valliant-Saunders
2010-03-24 19:19 ` Dale
2010-03-24 19:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-24 20:16 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-24 20:56 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-03-24 21:41 ` Dale
2010-03-24 21:59 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-24 22:18 ` Dale
2010-03-25 10:21 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2010-03-25 14:45 ` Dale
2010-03-28 21:38 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2010-03-28 22:47 ` Dale
2010-03-29 9:15 ` KH
2010-03-29 12:22 ` Dale
2010-03-29 15:11 ` Stroller
2010-03-29 16:11 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-29 18:09 ` Dale
2010-03-29 23:57 ` dan blum
2010-03-30 0:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-25 22:42 ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-25 23:24 ` Dale
2010-03-26 7:09 ` KH
2010-03-26 14:50 ` Dale
2010-03-24 23:50 ` Michael Edenfield
2010-03-25 0:00 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-03-25 4:05 ` Dale
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