[gentoo-user] Help

[gentoo-user] Help

[C.Beamer]

Hi All,

After getting side-tracked by a power outage in the middle of a Gentoo
install a couple of weeks ago, I finally got back to doing a Gentoo
install trial run.

All seemed to go well.  When I rebooted I got the menu with the two
selections listed (Gentoo and DOS).  The computer will boot into DOS
okay, but I can't get it to boot into Gentoo.  Ergo, I think the grub
install is fine, but I made an error in my grub.conf file.

Since I'm only moderately savvy about editing configuration files, I
relied on the examples in the Gentoo Handbook.

Details are as follows:

I have a dual boot system:

hda1 is DOS
hda2 is /boot
hda3 is swap
hda4 is my extended partition
hda5 is /root

The grub.conf file that I entered is as follows:

default 0
timeout 30

splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Genoo Linux 2.6.12-r6

root (hda0, 1)
kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
initrd /initrd-2.6.12-gentoo-r6

title=DOS
root (hda0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

I put the initrd line in the grub.conf file even though when I ran the
command

'ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd*'

as instructed in the Handbook, I got told that there was no initrdfile.

Have I missed something or done something wrong?

Is there a way to fix the grub.conf file?

I tried selecting the Gentoo line from the menu and pressing 'e' to
edit, but no matter what changes I made, I still get an error message
when I try to boot into Gentoo that says:

Error 15:  File not found

This displays immediatedly after the line

kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
real_root=/dev/hda5 udev

Any assistance would be appreciated.  And please remember, I am not
stupid, but I'm not a computer science grad.  I've been running Linux at
home for about 3 years and dabbling with it for a couple of years before
that, but I've always used Redhat or Fedora.  However, I'm finding that
with each release of Fedora, more "quirks" appear.  Things that I was
able to do with no problem in a previous release, I now can't do without
"letting some blood".  Hence, I wanted to try Gentoo because I can
install the software from source using emerge.  This will be a learning
curve for me, but I can conquer it - I have come a long way since a
friend first mentioned Linux to me and I asked what it was!

Anyway, the point of the previous paragraph is to ask that complete
details be stated for any help that is provided.  And if you tell me
that I "screwed up royally" and have to start all over, that's okay. 
That's what this exercise was for - to learn what I needed to know
before installing Gentoo on a "production" system.

BTW, I did a "Stage 3" install.  Since it was my first time and I don't
know anything about optimizations, I didn't want to get in over my
head.  :-)

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Respectfully,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[Stroller]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 6:23 pm, C.Beamer wrote:
>
> hda1 is DOS
> hda2 is /boot
> hda3 is swap
> hda4 is my extended partition
> hda5 is /root
>
> The grub.conf file that I entered is as follows:
>
> default 0
> timeout 30
>
> splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title=Genoo Linux 2.6.12-r6
>
> root (hda0, 1)
> kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc 
> ramdisk=8192
> real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
> initrd /initrd-2.6.12-gentoo-r6

I haven't tried booting with a RAM disk, so I can't comment on the 
other lines, but in the first there should be no space after the comma. 
IE:
    root (hda0,1)

as you've done correctly below:

> title=DOS
> root (hda0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
>

> ...
> Is there a way to fix the grub.conf file?

I always do so by booting from the Gentoo LiveCD, mounting /dev/hda2 to 
/mount/gentoo, editing grub.conf with `nano` and then rebooting. You 
can experiment amply like this until you get it right.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[Martins Steinbergs]

remove space in root (hda0, 1)

my kernel line also has devfs=nomount  but probably this isnt needed if using 
latest genkernel, dont know.

Martins


On Sunday 24 July 2005 20:23, C.Beamer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> After getting side-tracked by a power outage in the middle of a Gentoo
> install a couple of weeks ago, I finally got back to doing a Gentoo
> install trial run.
>
> All seemed to go well.  When I rebooted I got the menu with the two
> selections listed (Gentoo and DOS).  The computer will boot into DOS
> okay, but I can't get it to boot into Gentoo.  Ergo, I think the grub
> install is fine, but I made an error in my grub.conf file.
>
> Since I'm only moderately savvy about editing configuration files, I
> relied on the examples in the Gentoo Handbook.
>
> Details are as follows:
>
> I have a dual boot system:
>
> hda1 is DOS
> hda2 is /boot
> hda3 is swap
> hda4 is my extended partition
> hda5 is /root
>
> The grub.conf file that I entered is as follows:
>
> default 0
> timeout 30
>
> splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title=Genoo Linux 2.6.12-r6
>
> root (hda0, 1)
> kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
> real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
> initrd /initrd-2.6.12-gentoo-r6
>
> title=DOS
> root (hda0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
>
> I put the initrd line in the grub.conf file even though when I ran the
> command
>
> 'ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd*'
>
> as instructed in the Handbook, I got told that there was no initrdfile.
>
> Have I missed something or done something wrong?
>
> Is there a way to fix the grub.conf file?
>
> I tried selecting the Gentoo line from the menu and pressing 'e' to
> edit, but no matter what changes I made, I still get an error message
> when I try to boot into Gentoo that says:
>
> Error 15:  File not found
>
> This displays immediatedly after the line
>
> kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
> real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.  And please remember, I am not
> stupid, but I'm not a computer science grad.  I've been running Linux at
> home for about 3 years and dabbling with it for a couple of years before
> that, but I've always used Redhat or Fedora.  However, I'm finding that
> with each release of Fedora, more "quirks" appear.  Things that I was
> able to do with no problem in a previous release, I now can't do without
> "letting some blood".  Hence, I wanted to try Gentoo because I can
> install the software from source using emerge.  This will be a learning
> curve for me, but I can conquer it - I have come a long way since a
> friend first mentioned Linux to me and I asked what it was!
>
> Anyway, the point of the previous paragraph is to ask that complete
> details be stated for any help that is provided.  And if you tell me
> that I "screwed up royally" and have to start all over, that's okay.
> That's what this exercise was for - to learn what I needed to know
> before installing Gentoo on a "production" system.
>
> BTW, I did a "Stage 3" install.  Since it was my first time and I don't
> know anything about optimizations, I didn't want to get in over my
> head.  :-)
>
> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[Richard Fish]

Martins Steinbergs wrote:

>remove space in root (hda0, 1)
>
>  
>

Actually, that should be (hd0,1), like you have for the splashimage.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[C.Beamer]

Hi,

Thanks all for noticing the "typo".  However, this was a typo in the
e-mail, not in the boot.conf file.  :-)

Regards,

Colleen

Richard Fish wrote:

> Martins Steinbergs wrote:
>
>> remove space in root (hda0, 1)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually, that should be (hd0,1), like you have for the
> splashimage.
>
> -Richard
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[Richard Fish]

C.Beamer wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Thanks all for noticing the "typo".  However, this was a typo in the
>e-mail, not in the boot.conf file.  :-)
>
>  
>

So, what does you actual boot.conf file contain? "(hd0,1)" or "(hda0,1)"?

-Richard

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RE: [gentoo-user] Help

[Alex A. Smith MCP]

Hi,

Have you made sure of the filenames of the init ram disk and the kernel?

Only reason I say this is because the other day when I did a Stage 3
Genkernel the files were named something completely different from what is
in the handbook. (I think initrd was something along the lines of
initramdisk-<more text> and the both included genkernel in the file name)

I had myself wondering over that for a while :)

hth

Alex A. Smith

p.s. im installing a gentoo 2.6.12-r6 Stage 3 genkernel atm so I'll let you
know when its done if the above didn't help ya.

-----Original Message-----
From: C.Beamer [mailto:cbeamer@interlynx.net] 
Sent: 24 July 2005 18:24
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Help

Hi All,

After getting side-tracked by a power outage in the middle of a Gentoo
install a couple of weeks ago, I finally got back to doing a Gentoo
install trial run.

All seemed to go well.  When I rebooted I got the menu with the two
selections listed (Gentoo and DOS).  The computer will boot into DOS
okay, but I can't get it to boot into Gentoo.  Ergo, I think the grub
install is fine, but I made an error in my grub.conf file.

Since I'm only moderately savvy about editing configuration files, I
relied on the examples in the Gentoo Handbook.

Details are as follows:

I have a dual boot system:

hda1 is DOS
hda2 is /boot
hda3 is swap
hda4 is my extended partition
hda5 is /root

The grub.conf file that I entered is as follows:

default 0
timeout 30

splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Genoo Linux 2.6.12-r6

root (hda0, 1)
kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
initrd /initrd-2.6.12-gentoo-r6

title=DOS
root (hda0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

I put the initrd line in the grub.conf file even though when I ran the
command

'ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd*'

as instructed in the Handbook, I got told that there was no initrdfile.

Have I missed something or done something wrong?

Is there a way to fix the grub.conf file?

I tried selecting the Gentoo line from the menu and pressing 'e' to
edit, but no matter what changes I made, I still get an error message
when I try to boot into Gentoo that says:

Error 15:  File not found

This displays immediatedly after the line

kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
real_root=/dev/hda5 udev

Any assistance would be appreciated.  And please remember, I am not
stupid, but I'm not a computer science grad.  I've been running Linux at
home for about 3 years and dabbling with it for a couple of years before
that, but I've always used Redhat or Fedora.  However, I'm finding that
with each release of Fedora, more "quirks" appear.  Things that I was
able to do with no problem in a previous release, I now can't do without
"letting some blood".  Hence, I wanted to try Gentoo because I can
install the software from source using emerge.  This will be a learning
curve for me, but I can conquer it - I have come a long way since a
friend first mentioned Linux to me and I asked what it was!

Anyway, the point of the previous paragraph is to ask that complete
details be stated for any help that is provided.  And if you tell me
that I "screwed up royally" and have to start all over, that's okay. 
That's what this exercise was for - to learn what I needed to know
before installing Gentoo on a "production" system.

BTW, I did a "Stage 3" install.  Since it was my first time and I don't
know anything about optimizations, I didn't want to get in over my
head.  :-)

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Respectfully,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help

[Martins Steinbergs]

i was wondering too ;)

corect is initramfs, not initramdisk, see my grub.conf entry

title Gentoo 11.12 - vanilla
	root (hd1,2)
	kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.11.12 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc 
ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hdb9 video=radeonfb:mtrr:ywrap vga=7 
splash=silent udev devfs=nomount
	initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.11.12

On Monday 25 July 2005 02:31, Alex A. Smith MCP wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you made sure of the filenames of the init ram disk and the kernel?
>
> Only reason I say this is because the other day when I did a Stage 3
> Genkernel the files were named something completely different from what is
> in the handbook. (I think initrd was something along the lines of
> initramdisk-<more text> and the both included genkernel in the file name)
>
> I had myself wondering over that for a while :)
>
> hth
>
> Alex A. Smith
>
> p.s. im installing a gentoo 2.6.12-r6 Stage 3 genkernel atm so I'll let you
> know when its done if the above didn't help ya.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C.Beamer [mailto:cbeamer@interlynx.net]
> Sent: 24 July 2005 18:24
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Help
>
> Hi All,
>
> After getting side-tracked by a power outage in the middle of a Gentoo
> install a couple of weeks ago, I finally got back to doing a Gentoo
> install trial run.
>
> All seemed to go well.  When I rebooted I got the menu with the two
> selections listed (Gentoo and DOS).  The computer will boot into DOS
> okay, but I can't get it to boot into Gentoo.  Ergo, I think the grub
> install is fine, but I made an error in my grub.conf file.
>
> Since I'm only moderately savvy about editing configuration files, I
> relied on the examples in the Gentoo Handbook.
>
> Details are as follows:
>
> I have a dual boot system:
>
> hda1 is DOS
> hda2 is /boot
> hda3 is swap
> hda4 is my extended partition
> hda5 is /root
>
> The grub.conf file that I entered is as follows:
>
> default 0
> timeout 30
>
> splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title=Genoo Linux 2.6.12-r6
>
> root (hda0, 1)
> kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
> real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
> initrd /initrd-2.6.12-gentoo-r6
>
> title=DOS
> root (hda0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
>
> I put the initrd line in the grub.conf file even though when I ran the
> command
>
> 'ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd*'
>
> as instructed in the Handbook, I got told that there was no initrdfile.
>
> Have I missed something or done something wrong?
>
> Is there a way to fix the grub.conf file?
>
> I tried selecting the Gentoo line from the menu and pressing 'e' to
> edit, but no matter what changes I made, I still get an error message
> when I try to boot into Gentoo that says:
>
> Error 15:  File not found
>
> This displays immediatedly after the line
>
> kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc ramdisk=8192
> real_root=/dev/hda5 udev
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.  And please remember, I am not
> stupid, but I'm not a computer science grad.  I've been running Linux at
> home for about 3 years and dabbling with it for a couple of years before
> that, but I've always used Redhat or Fedora.  However, I'm finding that
> with each release of Fedora, more "quirks" appear.  Things that I was
> able to do with no problem in a previous release, I now can't do without
> "letting some blood".  Hence, I wanted to try Gentoo because I can
> install the software from source using emerge.  This will be a learning
> curve for me, but I can conquer it - I have come a long way since a
> friend first mentioned Linux to me and I asked what it was!
>
> Anyway, the point of the previous paragraph is to ask that complete
> details be stated for any help that is provided.  And if you tell me
> that I "screwed up royally" and have to start all over, that's okay.
> That's what this exercise was for - to learn what I needed to know
> before installing Gentoo on a "production" system.
>
> BTW, I did a "Stage 3" install.  Since it was my first time and I don't
> know anything about optimizations, I didn't want to get in over my
> head.  :-)
>
> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Colleen
>
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[gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

My 3-year old gentoo system has decided to be a big headache.  My
troubles started when I upgraded to kde 3.4.  The kde taskbar apps
wouldn't start.  I tried unmerging kde-base and emerging kdebase-meta
to see if it was related to the kde split, but that didn't help.  I got
the idea that the problem was some old kde packages, so I tried unmerging
everything on my system which was kde related, including some old packages
which are no longer in portage, then I reemerged everything.  THis was
a big mistake as afterwards kde was even more broken, and kde apps like
k3b now don't even work.  I've given up on kde and moved to enlightenment,
but it will be really hard to deal without any kde apps.  Lots of people have
given me advice, but everything I try just seems to make things worse.  It
seems like there is something about old versions of kde that won't go away,
which I don't understand at all.  It seems like if you reemerge something it
should move to the newest versions.  I really could use some help because
I have no idea what to do next.

-Wes
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Eduard Vaykher]

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On 10/5/05, Wes Gray <smiths@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
> My 3-year old gentoo system has decided to be a big headache. My
> troubles started when I upgraded to kde 3.4. The kde taskbar apps
> wouldn't start. I tried unmerging kde-base and emerging kdebase-meta
> to see if it was related to the kde split, but that didn't help. I got
> the idea that the problem was some old kde packages, so I tried unmerging
> everything on my system which was kde related, including some old packages
> which are no longer in portage, then I reemerged everything. THis was
> a big mistake as afterwards kde was even more broken, and kde apps like
> k3b now don't even work. I've given up on kde and moved to enlightenment,
> but it will be really hard to deal without any kde apps. Lots of people
> have
> given me advice, but everything I try just seems to make things worse. It
> seems like there is something about old versions of kde that won't go
> away,
> which I don't understand at all. It seems like if you reemerge something
> it
> should move to the newest versions. I really could use some help because
> I have no idea what to do next.
>
> -Wes
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>
>
KDE should separate its releases by minor version. KDE 3.2 or 3.3 shouldn't
interfere with KDE 3.4, which makes me wonder why and older version is
blocking things. emerge kde-meta and see what kind of trouble it gives you.

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 10:58:45PM -0400, Eduard Vaykher wrote:
> KDE should separate its releases by minor version. KDE 3.2 or 3.3 shouldn't
> interfere with KDE 3.4, which makes me wonder why and older version is
> blocking things. emerge kde-meta and see what kind of trouble it gives you.

# emerge -p kde-meta

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kde-meta-3.4.1  

I tried emerging kde-meta.  I then tried unmerging all the blockers it
created and then emerging back kde, to get rid of kde-meta.  When that
didn't help I reversed the process and reemerged kde-meta, which is
where I am now.  I've rebuilt all of kde a couple of times now with
the situation getting worse, not better.
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Ted Ozolins]

Wes Gray wrote:

># emerge -p kde-meta
>
>These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
>Calculating dependencies ...done!
>[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kde-meta-3.4.1  
>
>I tried emerging kde-meta.  I then tried unmerging all the blockers it
>created and then emerging back kde, to get rid of kde-meta.  When that
>didn't help I reversed the process and reemerged kde-meta, which is
>where I am now.  I've rebuilt all of kde a couple of times now with
>the situation getting worse, not better.
>  
>
At the login screen, what have your chosen as the session type. Perhaps
its still selecting your old KDE. Check that and select KDE-3.4 and see
what happens.

-- 
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Westbank, B. C

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:46:55PM -0700, Ted Ozolins wrote:
> At the login screen, what have your chosen as the session type. Perhaps
> its still selecting your old KDE. Check that and select KDE-3.4 and see
> what happens.

Yes, of course I am selecting 3.4.  That is the only choice.  I've tried
the obvious stuff, trust me.
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[DmD (Spider) LJungmark]

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On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 21:18 -0700, Wes Gray wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:46:55PM -0700, Ted Ozolins wrote:
> > At the login screen, what have your chosen as the session type. Perhaps
> > its still selecting your old KDE. Check that and select KDE-3.4 and see
> > what happens.
> 
> Yes, of course I am selecting 3.4.  That is the only choice.  I've tried
> the obvious stuff, trust me.


Try this then :  Add a brand new sparkling user.
Log in to X and KDE.  Is the problem persisting then, or not?



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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Roger Miliker]

On Thursday 06 October 2005 04:46, Wes Gray wrote:
> My 3-year old gentoo system has decided to be a big headache.  My
> troubles started when I upgraded to kde 3.4.  The kde taskbar apps
> wouldn't start.  I tried unmerging kde-base and emerging kdebase-meta
> to see if it was related to the kde split, but that didn't help.  I got
> the idea that the problem was some old kde packages, so I tried unmerging
> everything on my system which was kde related, including some old packages
> which are no longer in portage, then I reemerged everything.  THis was
> a big mistake as afterwards kde was even more broken, and kde apps like
> k3b now don't even work.  I've given up on kde and moved to enlightenment,
> but it will be really hard to deal without any kde apps.  Lots of people
> have given me advice, but everything I try just seems to make things worse.
>  It seems like there is something about old versions of kde that won't go
> away, which I don't understand at all.  It seems like if you reemerge
> something it should move to the newest versions.  I really could use some
> help because I have no idea what to do next.
>
> -Wes
One thing you could try (while not running kde) is:
mv ~/.kde ~/myold.kde
Kde will regenerate ,kde on next start and if that works fine you can merge 
back the configs from the old ~/myold.kde

Hope this helps

Roger

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Benno Schulenberg]

Wes Gray wrote:
> My 3-year old gentoo system has decided to be a big headache.  My
> troubles started when I upgraded to kde 3.4.

Upgrading from which version precisely?

What is the full output of 'ls -l ~/.kde*' ?

And of 'grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort' ?

And of 'grep kde /etc/env.d/*' ?

> The kde taskbar apps wouldn't start.

Does Konqueror work?  KMail?  KWrite?  Konsole?
The Control Center?  The Menu Editor?  Do most things work?

Looking back at your other emails...  Are you keeping the rest of 
your system up-to-date?  What does 'emerge -Dup world' say (after a 
sync)?  Do you still have an old python-2.2* installed?  What says 
'eix -e python'?  (If you don't have eix installed, first do 
'emerge eix; update-eix'.)  What says 'emerge -p --depclean'?  Does 
revdep-rebuild now run without problems?

(And please don't tell us to trust you, we're just asking questions, 
as you're not being very specific.)

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Michael Crute]

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On 10/5/05, Wes Gray <smiths@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
> # emerge -p kde-meta
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kde-meta-3.4.1
>
> I tried emerging kde-meta. I then tried unmerging all the blockers it
> created and then emerging back kde, to get rid of kde-meta. When that
> didn't help I reversed the process and reemerged kde-meta, which is
> where I am now. I've rebuilt all of kde a couple of times now with
> the situation getting worse, not better.
>

Try `emerge -eDav kde-meta` to rebuild all of KDEs dependencies.

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:57:09PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Upgrading from which version precisely?

3.3

> What is the full output of 'ls -l ~/.kde*' ?

I've played around with the ~/.kde* files a lot.  I've tried removing
them, as well as kde tmp files in /tmp and /var/tmp.  I've also tried
creating a completely new user.  With a new user or no ~/.kde files
kicker crashes on startup and I get no bar at the bottom.  With my
current ~/.kde* files the bar starts, but it's applets like the
clock or the thing that shows minimized apps doesn't work.

> And of 'grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort' ?

# grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort
kde-base/arts
kde-base/kde-env
kde-base/kde-meta
kde-base/kdebase-meta
kde-base/kdelibs
kde-base/konqueror
#

> And of 'grep kde /etc/env.d/*' ?

# grep kde /etc/env.d/*
/etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:PATH=/usr/kde/3.4/bin
/etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin
/etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.4/lib
/etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:CONFIG_PROTECT="/usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown"
/etc/env.d/47kdepaths-3.3.1:PATH=/usr/kde/3.3/bin
/etc/env.d/47kdepaths-3.3.1:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.3/sbin:/usr/kde/3.3/bin
/etc/env.d/47kdepaths-3.3.1:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.3/lib
/etc/env.d/47kdepaths-3.3.1:CONFIG_PROTECT="/usr/kde/3.3/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/env /usr/kde/3.3/shutdown"
/etc/env.d/48kdepaths-3.2.3:PATH=/usr/kde/3.2/bin
/etc/env.d/48kdepaths-3.2.3:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.2/sbin:/usr/kde/3.2/bin
/etc/env.d/48kdepaths-3.2.3:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.2/lib
/etc/env.d/48kdepaths-3.2.3:CONFIG_PROTECT=/usr/kde/3.2/share/config
/etc/env.d/49kdepaths-3.1.5:PATH=/usr/kde/3.1/bin
/etc/env.d/49kdepaths-3.1.5:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.1/sbin:/usr/kde/3.1/bin
/etc/env.d/49kdepaths-3.1.5:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.1/lib
/etc/env.d/49kdepaths-3.1.5:CONFIG_PROTECT=/usr/kde/3.1/share/config
/etc/env.d/56kdedir-3.1.5:KDEDIR=/usr/kde/3.1
/etc/env.d/57kdedir-3.2.3:KDEDIR=/usr/kde/3.2
/etc/env.d/65kdelibs-3.1:PATH=/usr/kde/3.1/bin
/etc/env.d/65kdelibs-3.1:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.1/bin
/etc/env.d/65kdelibs-3.1:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.1/lib
/etc/env.d/65kdelibs-3.1:KDEDIRS=/usr/kde/3.1
/etc/env.d/65kdelibs-3.1:CONFIG_PROTECT=/usr/kde/3.1/share/config
#

> 
> Does Konqueror work?

Konqueror is a good example.  I just emerged konqueror, to try to fix it,
and it didn't fix it (and broke some other stuff, see below).  When I run
Konqueror it runs but first I get:

"There was an error loading the module About-Page for Konqueror.  The
 diagnostics is: /usr/kde/3.1/lib/kde3/konq_aboutpage.so: cannot open shared
 object file: No such file or directory"

I suspect that if I could figure out why konqueror (and other apps) seem to
still want to point to 3.1 libraries I could get to the bottom of my problems.

>  KMail?  KWrite?  Konsole?

Konsole works.  I don't run kmail, it messes with my email.

> Do most things work?

Other than kde stuff, my system is fine.  As for kde stuff, it's hit an
miss.  The kde desktop is usuable, but I get errors and things are missing.
Kedit works.

> The Control Center?

Control center runs, but most of the pages are just generic pages with
no accessible options.

> The Menu Editor?

I don't have it...not sure why.

> Looking back at your other emails...  Are you keeping the rest of 
> your system up-to-date?  

Yeah, most packages are up-to-date.

>What does 'emerge -Dup world' say (after a sync)?

Actually that emerge of konqueror I did last night really hosed some stuff
up and a bunch of kde packages went away (don't ask me why) and kde crashed,
so I'm re-emerging kdebase right now and can't check but I will get back to
you.  In general though, my system is very up to date.  It was a little out
of date, but in the process of trying to fix this I sync'd and emerged
most everything that needed it.

> Do you still have an old python-2.2* installed?

I think I removed it trying to get revdep-rebuild to work.

> What says 'eix -e python'?  (If you don't have eix installed, first do 
> 'emerge eix; update-eix'.)  What says 'emerge -p --depclean'?

I will get back to you with this info after kde finishes later today.

> Does revdep-rebuild now run without problems?

It did a few days ago, after much work.

> (And please don't tell us to trust you, we're just asking questions, 
> as you're not being very specific.)

OK, sorry.  I appreciate the help.

-Wes
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:57:09PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:

Here is the rest of the requested info:

> What does 'emerge -Dup world' say (after a > sync)?

# emerge -Dup world

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[blocks B     ] media-libs/giflib (is blocking media-libs/libungif-4.1.3)
[blocks B     ] media-libs/libquicktime (is blocking media-libs/openquicktime-1.
0-r1)
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8-r1 [4.8]
[ebuild     U ] sys-devel/binutils-config-1.8-r5 [1.8-r3]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5-r2 [2.3.5-r1]
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/shadow-4.0.7-r4 [4.0.7-r3]
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.12r [2.12q-r3]
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6 [0.5.5.5-r1]
[ebuild     U ] x11-terms/xterm-204 [196]
[ebuild     U ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6 [0.8.5]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3 [2.12.2]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 [2.10.0]
[ebuild     U ] media-sound/esound-0.2.36-r1 [0.2.34]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 [2.10.1-r1]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1 [2.10.0]
[ebuild     U ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5 [2.6.4-r2]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/gtkspell-2.0.11 [2.0.4-r1]
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.3
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.1-r3 [4.1-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0-r3 [4.0-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0-r3 [3.0-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1-r3 [3.1-r1]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd-4.1.2.4-r2 [4.1.2.4]
[ebuild  NS   ] app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd-1.0-r1
[ebuild     U ] media-libs/a52dec-0.7.4-r5 [0.7.4-r4]
[ebuild     U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre18 [2.1_pre17-r1]
[ebuild  NS   ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.4
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.14 [0.6.11-r2]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.1.2-r5 [4.1.2-r4]
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/Compress-Zlib-1.35 [1.33]
[ebuild     U ] perl-core/digest-base-1.10 [1.05]
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/Digest-SHA1-2.10 [2.07]
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/Net-DNS-0.49 [0.48]
[ebuild     U ] perl-core/DB_File-1.811-r1 [1.811]
[ebuild     U ] app-text/enscript-1.6.3-r3 [1.6.3-r1]
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-apps/i2c-2.9.1
[ebuild  NS   ] sys-apps/lm_sensors-2.9.1-r1
[ebuild     U ] gnome-extra/gcalctool-5.5.42-r2 [5.5.42-r1]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/db-1.85-r2 [1.85-r1]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37 [0.35-r3]
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdebase-pam-6 [4]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gconf-1.0.9 [1.0.8-r3]
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-common-2.8.0
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r4 [1.0.5-r2]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-extra/guppi-0.40.3-r2 [0.40.3-r1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.21 [1.3.10-r2]
[ebuild     U ] dev-libs/g-wrap-1.3.4-r1 [1.3.4]
[ebuild     U ] app-arch/sharutils-4.2.1-r11 [4.2.1-r10]
[ebuild     U ] sci-libs/fftw-3.0.1-r2 [3.0.1]
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/gtkglext-1.0.6-r2 [1.0.5]
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/libintl-perl-1.11 [1.10]
[ebuild     U ] media-libs/freetype-1.3.1-r4 [1.3.1-r3]
[ebuild  N    ] games-util/loki_setupdb-20050109
[ebuild  N    ] dev-util/xdelta-1.1.3
[ebuild  N    ] games-util/loki_patch-20050324
[ebuild  NS   ] x11-libs/wxGTK-2.6.1
[ebuild     U ] games-emulation/xmame-0.100 [0.97]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gdm-2.8.0.3 [2.8.0.1-r1]
[ebuild     U ] media-gfx/xv-3.10a-r11 [3.10a-r3]
[ebuild     U ] net-im/centericq-4.21.0 [4.20.0-r3]
[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/db-3.2.9-r10 [3.2.9-r7]
[ebuild     U ] x11-themes/gnome-backgrounds-2.10.2 [2.10.1]
[ebuild     U ] gnome-base/gnome-2.10.2 [2.10-r1]
[ebuild     U ] dev-perl/Filter-1.30 [1.29]
[ebuild     U ] app-emulation/wine-20050725-r1 [20050524]
#

Oddly I tried unmerging giflib and it unmerged ok, but I still get the blocker.

> What says 'eix -e python'?

# eix -e python 
* dev-lang/python 
     Available versions:  2.1.3-r1 2.2.3-r6 2.3.4-r1 2.3.5 ~2.3.5-r1 2.3.5-r2 ~
2.4-r3 ~2.4.1 ~2.4.1-r1 ~2.4.2
     Installed:           2.2.3-r6 2.3.5-r2
     Homepage:            http://www.python.org/
     Description:         Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-orienta
ted programming language.


Found 1 matches
# 

> Does revdep-rebuild now run without problems?

yes, just reran it.

> What says 'emerge -p --depclean'?

# emerge -p --depclean

*** WARNING *** : DEPCLEAN CAN  SERIOUSLY  IMPAIR YOUR SYSTEM. USE CAUTION.
*** WARNING *** : (Cancel: CONTROL-C) -- ALWAYS VERIFY ALL PACKAGES IN THE
*** WARNING *** : CANDIDATE LIST FOR  SANITY  BEFORE  ALLOWING DEPCLEAN TO
*** WARNING *** : UNMERGE ANY PACKAGES.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : USE FLAGS MAY HAVE AN EXTREME EFFECT ON THE OUTPUT.
*** WARNING *** : SOME LIBRARIES MAY BE USED BY PACKAGES BUT ARE NOT
*** WARNING *** : CONSIDERED TO BE A DEPEND DUE TO USE FLAG SETTINGS.
*** WARNING *** : emerge --update --deep --newuse world TO VERIFY
*** WARNING *** : SANITY IN THIS REGARD.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : Packages  in the list  that are  desired  may be added
*** WARNING *** : directly to the world file to cause them to be ignored
*** WARNING *** : by depclean and maintained in the future. BREAKAGES DUE
*** WARNING *** : TO UNMERGING AN  ==IN-USE LIBRARY==  MAY BE REPAIRED BY
*** WARNING *** : MERGING  *** THE PACKAGE THAT COMPLAINS ***  ABOUT THE
*** WARNING *** : MISSING LIBRARY.

Calculating depclean dependencies ... done!
!!! There appears to be a problem with the following package:
!!! media-libs/libquicktime

!!! Please ensure that blocking/conflicting packages are not merged.!!! 'emerge -p media-libs/libquicktime

!!! There appears to be a problem with the following package:
!!! media-libs/giflib

!!! Please ensure that blocking/conflicting packages are not merged.!!! 'emerge -p media-libs/giflib

!!! There appears to be a problem with the following package:
!!! media-libs/openquicktime

!!! Please ensure that blocking/conflicting packages are not merged.!!! 'emerge -p media-libs/openquicktime


>>> These are the packages that I would unmerge:


!!! Trying to unmerge package(s) in system profile. 'app-editors/nano'
!!! This could be damaging to your system.



 app-text/dgs
    selected: 0.5.10-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-java/bsf
    selected: 2.3.0-r2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.6.3-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 sys-devel/bin86
    selected: 0.16.13
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-java/jdepend
    selected: 2.8.1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 media-gfx/gimp-print
    selected: 4.2.2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-perl/Audio-Tools
    selected: 0.01
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-java/bsh
    selected: 2.0_beta1-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 sys-apps/netkit-base
    selected: 0.17-r6
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.3-r2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-java/xjavac
    selected: 20041208
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 kde-base/kdeaccessibility
    selected: 3.3.2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.9.11-r2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 4.1.11-r1
   protected: none
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    selected: 1.2.3
   protected: none
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    selected: 3.7
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.101
   protected: none
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    selected: 1.2.9
   protected: none
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    selected: 0.80.2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.7.3
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.6.1-r2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.0.2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 dev-java/commons-collections
    selected: 3.1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 0.8.4-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 app-arch/ncompress
    selected: 4.2.4
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.0.15
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.2.7a
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 0.6
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.0.5
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.5.5-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 3.1.6-r4
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.6.2-r6
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 0.0
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 0.8.0-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.6.2-r3
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.7.45
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.01-r2
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.4
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 5.1-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.6.0-r2
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.0.8-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.0.4-r1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 1.2.4
   protected: none
     omitted: none

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    selected: 2.80.1-r4
   protected: none
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    selected: 3.1.1
   protected: none
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    selected: 0.10k
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.7-r5
   protected: none
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    selected: 1.3.1-r1
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.09
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    selected: 1.17
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    selected: 0.4
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    selected: 1.5.5-r1
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    selected: 1.6.2-r9
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    selected: 1.0.2
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    selected: 0.6.3
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    selected: 0.1.18
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    selected: 2.1
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    selected: 1.0_beta2
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    selected: 2.17-r2
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    selected: 1.2.3-r1
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    selected: 1.0.9
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    selected: 1.3.2-r2
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    selected: 0.4.4-r4
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    selected: 1.4
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    selected: 4.13b-r4
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    selected: 2.1-r5
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    selected: 2.0_alpha54
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    selected: 2.2.0
   protected: none
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    selected: 3.8.1-r1
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    selected: 1.0.3
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    selected: 1.1
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    selected: 0.02
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    selected: 2.0.1
   protected: none
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    selected: 1.2
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.4.19
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.2.27
   protected: none
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    selected: 1.2.2-r1
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.3-r2
   protected: none
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 media-libs/jpeg-mmx
    selected: 1.1.2-r1
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.6.2-r2
   protected: none
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    selected: 2.1
   protected: none
     omitted: none

>>> 'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
>>> 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.


Packages installed:   960
Packages in world:    457
Packages in system:   59
Unique package names: 867
Required packages:    897
Number to remove:     83
# 

-Wes
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Benno Schulenberg]

Wes Gray wrote:
> # grep kde /var/lib/portage/world | sort
> kde-base/arts
> kde-base/kde-env
> kde-base/kde-meta
> kde-base/kdebase-meta
> kde-base/kdelibs
> kde-base/konqueror

Hmm, if I'm not mistaken, if you've emerged kde-meta, none of the 
other kde things should be in your world file.  You've probably 
done a few emerges without using the --oneshot option.  When all 
the things below don't help, or have heleped, you may want to 
delete the superfluous lines and do a fresh 'emerge -Du world', 
just to be sure all is okay.

> # grep kde /etc/env.d/*
> /etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:PATH=/usr/kde/3.4/bin
> /etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:ROOTPATH=/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4
>/bin /etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:LDPATH=/usr/kde/3.4/lib
> /etc/env.d/46kdepaths-3.4:CONFIG_PROTECT="/usr/kde/3.4/share/conf
>ig /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown"

Delete all the other kde files from /etc/env.d/, keeping only the 
3.4 one.  The older ones are not needed any more since you've 
uninstalled those versions, no?  This may solve some of your 
problems by removing that KDEDIR env var.

> I suspect that if I could figure out why konqueror (and other
> apps) seem to still want to point to 3.1 libraries I could get to
> the bottom of my problems.

Maybe because of that KDEDIR var.  When you've deleted the obsolete 
env files, do 'env-update' and restart KDE.

> # emerge -Dup world
> [...]

Okay, your system looks pretty much up-to-date.  But:

> [ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdebase-pam-6 [4]

Try updating this one, with 'emerge --oneshot kdebase-pam'.  It may 
solve some access problems, maybe those of kicker.  After emerging, 
log out and back in.

> # eix -e python
>[...]
>      Installed:           2.2.3-r6 2.3.5-r2

The ancient version is still installed, no harm in it probably, but 
no need for it either.  If you wish, unmerge it with 'emerge -C 
=python-2.2.3-r6', ignoring the warning.

> # emerge -p --depclean
> [...]
> !!! There appears to be a problem with the following package:
> !!! media-libs/libquicktime

Use 'eix -e ...'  to see which of these packages, libquicktime, 
openquicktime, giflib, libungif, you've got installed, uninstall 
each of them with 'emerge -C =...', and later let a fresh 'emerge 
-Du world' install the one's that are really needed.

That's a long list...  So first resolve the blocking issues (if it 
gives you trouble, search bugs.gentoo.org or the forums or the 
archives of this list), then run 'emerge --depclean' in earnest to 
get rid of all the obsoletes, after that do a 'revdep-rebuild', and 
conclude with 'emerge -Du world'.

Perseverance,

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Wes Gray]

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 10:17:20PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Delete all the other kde files from /etc/env.d/, keeping only the 
> 3.4 one.  The older ones are not needed any more since you've 
> uninstalled those versions, no?  This may solve some of your 
> problems by removing that KDEDIR env var.

That solved everything!  I didn't have to emerge or anything.  You
are wonderful!  I'm still going to go through and do the other things
you suggest here to get my system cleaned up.  Thank you so much for
the help.

-Wes
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Richard Fish]

> kde-base/kdeaccessibility
>    selected: 3.3.2
>   protected: none
>     omitted: none
>  
>

This one tells me that you've got old versions of KDE merged alongside 
the current version.  I suspect path and library problems are the result...

My suggestion is to:

ls -ld /var/db/pkg/kde-base/*-3[0-3]*

This will give you a list of all old kde packages that are merged.  You 
can then unmerge those, then do a revdep-rebuild.


>Packages in world:    457
>

This is a huge number of packages.  As Benno suggested, this probably 
means you have [re]merged packages without the --oneshot flag, so they 
got added to your world file, and portage now things you require those 
packages regardless of any dependancies.

The following script will show you all packages in world that are not 
depended on by something else.  Most (but not ALL!!) can be safely 
removed from world.  For example, sys-portage/portage is not depended on 
by something else, but it would be very bad to remove it from world!!

    cat /var/lib/portage/world | while read pkg; do
        count=`equery depends "$pkg" | wc -l`
        test $count -eq 0 && echo "pkg"
    done

This may or may not have an effect on your KDE installation.  Mostly, 
this just a case of portage cleanup.

HTH,
-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Richard Fish]

Richard Fish wrote:

>
>    cat /var/lib/portage/world | while read pkg; do
>        count=`equery depends "$pkg" | wc -l`
>        test $count -eq 0 && echo "pkg"
>    done


Um, sorry, I'm a complete idiot sometimes.  You want to remove from 
world packages that are included as a dependancy of something else.  So 
that "-eq 0" above should be "-gt 0".  But again, some results are not 
going to be safe to remove from world, like sys-libs/glibc.

Again, my apologies...


-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:59:16 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:

> For example, sys-portage/portage is not depended on 
> by something else, but it would be very bad to remove it from world!!

Why? I have neither portage nor glibc in world. portage is part of system
and glibc is a dependency of just about everything.


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A computer scientist is someone who, when told to "Go to Hell,"
sees the "go to," rather than the destination, as harmful.

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Benno Schulenberg]

Wes Gray wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 10:17:20PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> > Delete all the other kde files from /etc/env.d/, keeping only
> > the 3.4 one.  The older ones are not needed any more since
> > you've uninstalled those versions, no?  This may solve some of
> > your problems by removing that KDEDIR env var.
>
> That solved everything!  I didn't have to emerge or anything. 
> You are wonderful!

:)  Thanks.

> I'm still going to go through and do the 
> other things you suggest here to get my system cleaned up.

Take care with the depcleaning, it can cripple your system 
completely.  Most of the things in your depclean list look 
harmless, except for acl and attr -- they tripped me up several 
moons ago.  To play it safe, first tar up /lib and /usr/lib, and if 
after the cleaning anything starts to fail, re-extract the missing 
lib.  If even tar should fail, use 'busybox tar' instead.

After you're done with that, you may want to clean up your world 
file, as suggested by Richard.  And after that, another round of 
depcleaning.

Benno
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[Tamer Higazi]

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[Michael Crute]

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On 10/26/05, Tamer Higazi <tamer23@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
With what?

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[b.n.]

Michael Crute wrote:
> On 10/26/05, *Tamer Higazi* <tamer23@myrealbox.com 
> <mailto:tamer23@myrealbox.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> With what?

Probably he vanished before having time to tell us what was putting him 
in danger. Poor Mr.Higazi. We will miss him.

m.
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[gentoo user mail list]

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[John Jolet]

On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:14 AM, gentoo user mail list wrote:
okay...  we're good, but we need a BIT more information than that.  :)
>
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>

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:14:41 +0800 gentoo user mail list
<frid.gentoouser@gmail.com> wrote:
| 

Cut the blue wire first, then the green wire within the next five
seconds. Whatever you do, don't touch the red wire!

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Uwe Thiem]

On 29 December 2005 17:15, John Jolet wrote:
> On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:14 AM, gentoo user mail list wrote:
> okay...  we're good, but we need a BIT more information than that.  :)

Reminds me on something Matthias Ettrich once said when kwm was still KDE's 
window manager: "Alright, folks, next I will implement focus follows 
mind." ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Martins Steinbergs]

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On Thursday 29 December 2005 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:14:41 +0800 gentoo user mail list
> <frid.gentoouser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cut the blue wire first, then the green wire within the next five
> seconds. Whatever you do, don't touch the red wire!


sometimes they fool with colors, better RUN NOW

mr.holywood
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Lares Moreau]

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On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 23:14 +0800, gentoo user mail list wrote:

"I need somebody, HELP, not just anybody, Help.
When I was younger so much younger then today..."
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[John J. Foster]

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 10:58:11AM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 23:14 +0800, gentoo user mail list wrote:
> 
> "I need somebody, HELP, not just anybody, Help.
> When I was younger so much younger then today..."

"I never needed anybody's help in any way..."

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Norberto Bensa]

John J. Foster wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 10:58:11AM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 23:14 +0800, gentoo user mail list wrote:
> >
> > "I need somebody, HELP, not just anybody, Help.
> > When I was younger so much younger then today..."
>
> "I never needed anybody's help in any way..."

But now these days are gone, I'm not so self assured,
Now I find I've changed my mind and opened up the doors.
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[vikram ranade]

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Richard Fish]

On 2/8/06, vikram ranade <ranade.vikram@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

My guess is that your keyboard is broken.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Ernie Schroder]

On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25, a tiny voice compelled Richard Fish to 
write:
> On 2/8/06, vikram ranade <ranade.vikram@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> My guess is that your keyboard is broken.
>
> -Richard
Gotta love empty posts especially in HTML
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[gentoo-user] help

[Erik Ohrnberger]

help

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Jason Messerschmitt]

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certainly don't need any help with verbosity, do you?

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Erik Ohrnberger <Erik@echohome.org> wrote:

> help
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Hal Martin]

Erik Ohrnberger wrote:
> help
>
>   
Certainly, where/in what do you require it?

-Hal
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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Ricardo Bevilacqua]

2008/7/3 Erik Ohrnberger <Erik@echohome.org>:
> help
>

That is a nice song from "The Beatles" [1] =)

Regards,

Richard.


[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ibX3TejlZE
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[gentoo-user] help

[Daryl Styrk]

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Tence T. George]

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errr...what's seems to be the problem?

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Daryl Styrk <darylstyrk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Dale]

Daryl Styrk wrote:
>   

Did you fall and you can't get up or what?  :-p

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Daryl Styrk]

Tence T. George wrote:
> errr...what's seems to be the problem?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Daryl Styrk <darylstyrk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
> 

Sorry I was looking for the list mailman.. I deleted the initial
"Welcome to the list" containing the usual (sometimes) commands for
manipulating the subscriptions.

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Qian Qiao]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:05, Daryl Styrk <darylstyrk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tence T. George wrote:
>> errr...what's seems to be the problem?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Daryl Styrk <darylstyrk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>
> Sorry I was looking for the list mailman.. I deleted the initial
> "Welcome to the list" containing the usual (sometimes) commands for
> manipulating the subscriptions.

Such information is in the header of every message you get from the list.

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Daryl Styrk]

Qian Qiao wrote:

> 
> Such information is in the header of every message you get from the list.
> 

Thank you for that.  I normally do not view headers detailed and had
overlooked it as an option.

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[damian]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Daryl Styrk wrote:
>>
>
> Did you fall and you can't get up or what?  :-p
ROFL!

> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Qian Qiao]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:15, Daryl Styrk <darylstyrk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Qian Qiao wrote:
>
>>
>> Such information is in the header of every message you get from the list.
>>
>
> Thank you for that.  I normally do not view headers detailed and had
> overlooked it as an option.
>

Many list softwares add those information to the header, so you know
where to look next time.

[gentoo-user] help

[Dainius Matusevičius]

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote:
> help

Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle?  :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 20 March 2010 18:58:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote:
> > help
> 
> Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle?  :P

I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help fixing it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Crístian Viana]

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or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Saturday 20 March 2010 18:58:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote:
> > > help
> >
> > Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle?  :P
>
> I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help fixing
> it.
>
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Crístian Viana wrote:
> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
>
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That's what I was thinking too.  Poor thang.  lol

He may have been trying to get the help thing from the list server.  
That is another possibility I guess.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 20.03.2010 18:55, schrieb Crístian Viana:
> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
> 

Nah, this time it's KMail on KDE-4.1.4.

Given that this version is not even in the tree anymore, I guess,
whatever his problem is, 'emerge --sync && emerge -avuD world' is a good
start.

;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
> 

Hey!  What's wrong with seamonkey?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:02:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help
> fixing it.

Or maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
setting :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
>    
>> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
>>
>>      
> Hey!  What's wrong with seamonkey?
>
>    

I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2.  I let it copy the settings, 
email and other "stuff" to the new profile.  Well, it copied it fine but 
new messages were sent blank.  Replies were fine but new messages were 
blank.

So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the 
issue with Seamonkey.  Now I can send a new message and it not be 
blank.  I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves.  
After all, who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to 
have it disappear and have to do it all over again.

I like the reply about white letters on a white background.  Of course, 
if that was the case, you could just click the mouse in the body and do 
a ctrl a to highlight the text.  Then you could see it.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 03/20/2010 10:46 PM, Dale wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
>>> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
>>>
>> Hey! What's wrong with seamonkey?
>>
>
> I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2. I let it copy the settings,
> email and other "stuff" to the new profile. Well, it copied it fine but
> new messages were sent blank. Replies were fine but new messages were
> blank.
>
> So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the
> issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be blank.
> I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After all,
> who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it
> disappear and have to do it all over again.

And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 03/20/2010 10:46 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Michael Sullivan wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
>>>> or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
>>>>
>>> Hey! What's wrong with seamonkey?
>>>
>>
>> I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2. I let it copy the settings,
>> email and other "stuff" to the new profile. Well, it copied it fine but
>> new messages were sent blank. Replies were fine but new messages were
>> blank.
>>
>> So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the
>> issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be blank.
>> I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After all,
>> who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it
>> disappear and have to do it all over again.
>
> And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P
>

It is, its just worse.  :-P

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 20 Mar 2010, at 21:28, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> ...
>> So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix  
>> the
>> issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be  
>> blank.
>> I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After  
>> all,
>> who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it
>> disappear and have to do it all over again.
>
> And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P

Chances are that he's copied a setting from his old profile that  
doesn't work with the new one, or is corrupt in some way. He can  
EASILY test this by moving his profile to profile.old and trying with  
a blank / new configuration. If that works then he can copy over only  
the essential parts of his profile and at least save himself all the  
bother of retyping out the names of his pop3 servers and signatures.

I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a  
customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself,  
but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or  
machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.

I reinstall the o/s on my desktop machine at 1 - 3 year intervals.  
That might be caused by a hardware upgrade or failure, filesystem  
corruption, or they might just release Windows 8 in 2012. I try not to  
depend too much on stuff that's on my desktop - email is a killer app  
for me, so I just type in the details of my IMAP server and my  
familiar environment is replicated; I have just a few favourite  
websites that I use a lot, and one can just install a word-processor  
and photo-editor, there should be a backup of my data on the server.

When I set up a new Mac on Linux box, all my preferences from ~ can be  
copied over easily. They're just a bunch of text files, and I can have  
a bit of a clean up by only copying the preferences for programs I  
actually use. If I fire up $application and find that its layout is  
all wrong, then I can just exit it and copy across preferences from  
the old system,

Contemplating this, I find it a bit incredible that there's no way to  
do this on a Windows system. Everything is stored in honking great big  
registry files, and there's no way to migrate a registry hive to a new  
profile (and no way, without a Windows domain server, to migrate a  
profile to a new system). When I was a Windows enthusiast, before I'd  
heard of Linux, I would spend 2 days fuzting to try and get everything  
right when reinstalled Windows or installed a new system. Even a week  
or two later I'd be finding things that weren't quite right, like they  
were on my old system, didn't quite match my preferred way of doing  
things, and I would have to spend time tinkering to get them right.

A Red Hat developer recently (within the last 3 months, I guess)  
blogged about reverse engineering the Windows registry for some VM  
tools he wrote. I can't find the article right now, but what he had to  
say about the Registry was shocking.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 20.03.2010 22:28, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
[...]
>
> And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P
>
>
They call it improvement and not bugfixing.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
<stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer
> and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised
> that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another
> is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.

[OT]

In Windows XP it was called "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard". It
could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and
it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
tool in later versions of Windows?

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
> <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer
>> and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised
>> that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another
>> is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.
>
> [OT]
>
> In Windows XP it was called "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard". It
> could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
> well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and
> it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
> supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
> tool in later versions of Windows?

No, it's still there (and improved).  No idea why Stroller couldn't find it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

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On Monday 22 March 2010 17:05:12 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
> >
> > <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>  wrote:
> >> I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a
> >> customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but
> >> I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or
> >> machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.
> >
> > [OT]
> >
> > In Windows XP it was called "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard". It
> > could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
> > well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and
> > it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
> > supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
> > tool in later versions of Windows?
> 
> No, it's still there (and improved).  No idea why Stroller couldn't find
>  it.

Hmm ... I have W7 on my new laptop.  I booted it 3 times in as many months.  
One of these times was to update the BIOS.  All I can say its that I found it 
enormously irritating because many things are not where I would expect to 
find them (like defrag).  There is however a search function - which is only 
good if you already know the name of the executable.

TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on 
all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:

>
> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on
> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop.

You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are 
lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

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On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
> > on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
> > laptop.
> 
> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.

Getting money back from Dell?!!  It'll be like squeezing blood out of a 
stone.  ;-)

Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that 
this is "not an option"!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mike Edenfield]

On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote:
>> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
>>> on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
>>> laptop.
>>
>> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
>> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> 
> Getting money back from Dell?!!  It'll be like squeezing blood out of a 
> stone.  ;-)
> 
> Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that 
> this is "not an option"!

Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be "Linux
friendly".  Which is apparently shorthand for:

"Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with
Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with
'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop.  What's that?  You want a
desktop machine with Linux?  Are you insane?"

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 03/22/2010 10:33 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote:
>> On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote:
>>> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>>>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
>>>> on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
>>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
>>> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
>>
>> Getting money back from Dell?!!  It'll be like squeezing blood out of a
>> stone.  ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that
>> this is "not an option"!
>
> Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be "Linux
> friendly".  Which is apparently shorthand for:
>
> "Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with
> Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with
> 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop.  What's that?  You want a
> desktop machine with Linux?  Are you insane?"

Dell mainly sells "Windows Computers", not "Computers".  If someone 
doesn't like that, why buy one?  There's a gazillion of e-shops selling 
custom machines.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Walker]

On 22/03/10 19:21, KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>
>>
>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
>> tax on
>> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
>> laptop.
>
> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
>
> kh
>
>

Actually, you don't need any luck. It's been a few years now
since Microsoft were ordered by the courts to give refunds. The
vendor doesn't even come into the picture. Return Windows
unopened to Microsoft and they HAVE to refund you.


Be lucky,


Neil
http://www.neiljw.com/




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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Walker]

On 22/03/10 20:33, Mike Edenfield wrote:

> "Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with
> Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with
> 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop.  What's that?  You want a
> desktop machine with Linux?  Are you insane?"
>   

The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)


Be lucky,

Neil
http://www.neiljw.com/


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
> > on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
> > laptop.
> 
> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> 
> kh


Yeah right, good luck with that.

Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from 
Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR 
exercise.

Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware 
vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a 
box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with 
Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the 
machine does not have Windows.

There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what 
you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors 
sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant 
Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the 
exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and 
servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they 
like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer 
is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as 
well.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +0000, Neil Walker wrote:

> The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)

The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.

So that deals with the over-priced issue...


-- 
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Standard: (n., adj.) a design target which manufacturers may embellish,
improve upon, or ignore as they wish, so long as it can be used profitably
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>
>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows  
>> tax on
>> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular  
>> laptop.
>
> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you  
> are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.

Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing  
this now.

I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in  
Vista or 7, to (basically) "return the whole system for a refund if  
you don't like these terms".

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
> > Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> > > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
> > > on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
> > > laptop.
> > 
> > You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> > lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> > 
> > kh
> 
> 
> Yeah right, good luck with that.
> 
> Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from 
> Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR 
> exercise.
> 
> Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware 
> vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a 
> box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with 
> Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the 
> machine does not have Windows.
> 
> There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what 
> you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors 
> sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant 
> Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the 
> exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and 
> servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they 
> like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer 
> is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as 
> well.
> 
> 
> -- 
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
> 

Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as such.
I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market was more open than it's current state.
That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:
>
> On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:
>> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>>
>>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
>>> tax on
>>> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
>>> laptop.
>>
>> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
>> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
>
> Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this
> now.
>
> I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in
> Vista or 7, to (basically) "return the whole system for a refund if you
> don't like these terms".
>
> Stroller.
>
>

In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who 
is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:02:54 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
> > > Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> > > > TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
> > > > tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this
> > > > particular laptop.
> > > 
> > > You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> > > lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> > > 
> > > kh
> > 
> > Yeah right, good luck with that.
> > 
> > Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2
> > from Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost
> > as a PR exercise.
> > 
> > Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The
> > hardware vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM
> > install not a box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that
> > it comes with Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on
> > the table where the machine does not have Windows.
> > 
> > There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you
> > what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce
> > that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the
> > relevant Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model
> > with Windows, the exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person
> > would buy today, and servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the
> > vendor can sell what they like and can offer only a certain OS of they
> > choose. Much like a Toyota dealer is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas
> > and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as well.
> 
> Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else
> as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if
> the market was more open than it's current state. That being said we do
> have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.

It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no, it's not 
the train's headlights ;-)

Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their 
offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux, might be few 
today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +0000, Neil Walker wrote:
> > The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)
> 
> The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
> 
> So that deals with the over-priced issue...

The Dell XPS M1530 I'm typing this on was *very* reasonably priced. But, the 
40% corporate discount whacked off the top was a part of that :-)



-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:04, KH wrote:

> Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:
>>> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
>>>
>>>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a  
>>>> MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to  
>>>> buy this particular laptop.
>>> ...
>
> In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person  
> who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)

I believe the precedent set by that court decision applies throughout  
Europe, however I don't think anyone else has followed it up.

There was a guy on uk.adverts.computer (might be uk.adverts.computers,  
I'm not sure) who used to make a good business buying end of life  
corporate PCs and breaking them, mostly for the licenses. Great bloke,  
everyone loved him, always had great deals or could do you one.

One day he got a threatening letter from Microsoft about reselling  
these license stickers, which he was doing absolutely legitimately  
under EU law, and had to close down his business as a consequence. He  
contacted a commercial solicitors and they were happy to take the  
case, confident in the outcome precedented by the German decision, but  
wanted a deposit of £20,000 ($30,000 US now, but I think more like  
$40k at the time).

This was money he simply didn't have, or that he wasn't prepared to  
risk. I would imagine the actual costs of pursuing the case could run  
much higher, perhaps to in excess of £100,000. It's obvious that  
Microsoft would quite happily run you bankrupt with pre-trial requests  
to your lawyers, and drag things out with various legal motions,  
rather than actually lose the case.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

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On Monday 22 March 2010 22:04:24 KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:
> > On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:
> >> Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
> >>> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
> >>> tax on
> >>> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
> >>> laptop.
> >>
> >> You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
> >> lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
> >
> > Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this
> > now.
> >
> > I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in
> > Vista or 7, to (basically) "return the whole system for a refund if you
> > don't like these terms".
> >
> > Stroller.
> 
> In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
> is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)

But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only 
run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.

I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on 
another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I 
remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

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On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +0000, Neil Walker wrote:
> > The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)
> 
> The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
> 
> So that deals with the over-priced issue...

I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell and 
they were selling the best machine at the time for the price.  Lenovos, HP, 
Asus, etc. were definitely pricier.  So, comparatively speaking Dell's are 
not bad.  However, they are indeed overpriced because we're paying for a pre-
installed OS some of us do not want/need.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 23:51, schrieb Mick:

>>
>> In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
>> is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)
>
> But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only
> run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.
>
> I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on
> another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I
> remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.

I am not in that to deep. IIRC oem has no meaning in Germany. This is 
part of the license agreement what you have to accept after buying the 
software. Law says you have to accept it before or it is not part of the 
contract.
I never tried lately but you should be able to install from every Win CD 
you find and just use the code from that green sticker. There even is a 
tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once 
hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal 
again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done 
without installing everything again.

But again I don't know if it works in every constellation nor if it is 
legal everywhere.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Oh and all of this started with a email just saying "help". Wander what 
another word could have done.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:
>
> Oh and all of this started with a email just saying "help". Wander 
> what another word could have done.
>
> kh
>
>

Maybe he should have said PLEASE help.  lol

Where is the OP anyway?

Dale

:-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:56:33 +0000, Mick wrote:

> On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +0000, Neil Walker wrote:  
> > > The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)  
> > 
> > The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
> > 
> > So that deals with the over-priced issue...  
> 
> I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell
> and they were selling the best machine at the time for the price.
> Lenovos, HP, Asus, etc. were definitely pricier.

Note to self: Be less subtle in future :(


-- 
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If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
 ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> -- 
> Neil Bothwick
>
> If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
>   ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.
>    

You sig was sort of ironic considering the subject discussed.  That 
thing have ESP or something?

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[walt]

On 03/22/2010 04:21 PM, KH wrote:
 > ...
> There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key -
 > like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to
 > turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are
 > done without installing everything again...

Those boys at M$ are such jokers.  The big pitch is "DANGER, your pirated
copy of Windows may not be safe!  Who knows what evil lurks in pirated
software!?!"

But, once you fork over the money for a valid key, all that "DANGER/evil"
is exorcised forever.  I wish I could write smart software like that.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 23:21, KH wrote:
> ...  There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change  
> your key - like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key  
> and now you want to turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the  
> code you bought, you are done without installing everything again.

It doesn't always work, though.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:51, Mick wrote:
>> ...
>> In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third  
>> person who
>> is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)
>
> But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which  
> will only
> run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.

You can use a standard Windows OEM installation cd, such as the one  
that comes in this package <http://www.ebuyer.com/product/114048> with  
any Windows OEM license sticker.

If the sticker bears Dell, Compaq, Advent &c branding, this is  
irrelevant to the actual number on the sticker. You can copy a  
friend's CD and use that - I avoid manufacturer branded "restore" CDs,  
however.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:09, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> ....
>>> There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell  
>>> you
>>> what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not  
>>> enforce
>>> that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such  
>>> to the
>>> relevant Commission). ...
>>
>> Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or  
>> anything else
>> as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the  
>> consumer if
>> the market was more open than it's current state. That being said  
>> we do
>> have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.
>
> It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no,  
> it's not
> the train's headlights ;-)
>
> Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their
> offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux,  
> might be few
> today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow.

The problem is that manufacturers subsidise the cost of the PC by  
preinstalling junk on them.

They install Norton or McAfee anti-virus with a "free" 3 month  
subscription, because Norton or McAfee give them a kickback. I would  
imagine this is in the region of $10 - $20. They install desktop  
shortcuts to eBay, to Big Fish Games (or whatever it's called) set the  
browser's homepage and the default search shows more ads than useful  
results. They probably get a penny a click on those, but over the  
lifetime of a computer, this can add up.

In all I wouldn't be surprised if the crapware on a new PC pays more  
than the Windows license costs the manufacturer. Selling PCs with a  
blank hard-drive would cost them money, therefore! The cost of porting  
browser toolbars and "search redirect" hijackers to enable them to  
sell Linux-based PCs is just not worth the effort, and a Linux user is  
more likely to uninstall them, anyway.

Manufacturers accept that some of the PCs they sell will have Windows  
wiped and Linux installed, but they don't have to like or encourage  
it. :(

I very much dislike Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly position, but I  
don't have any easy answers right now.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 17:05, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
>> <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a  
>>> customer
>>> and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I  
>>> realised
>>> that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to  
>>> another
>>> is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.
>>
>> [OT]
>>
>> In Windows XP it was called "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard". It
>> could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
>> well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine  
>> and
>> it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
>> supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
>> tool in later versions of Windows?
>
> No, it's still there (and improved).  No idea why Stroller couldn't  
> find it.

I was given to believe it doesn't work under all circumstances.

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup/msg/4d069a4865067bad

It's not something I've had the time yet to dedicate to testing.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:47:57 -0500, Dale wrote:

> > If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
> >   ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.
> >      
> 
> You sig was sort of ironic considering the subject discussed.  That 
> thing have ESP or something?

It does seem like it at times, but you only notice the small proportion
of times the tag is vaguely relevant... either that or my computer is
haunted :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 23.03.2010 01:51, schrieb walt:
> On 03/22/2010 04:21 PM, KH wrote:
>  > ...
>> There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key -
>  > like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you
> want to
>  > turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are
>  > done without installing everything again...
>
> Those boys at M$ are such jokers. The big pitch is "DANGER, your pirated
> copy of Windows may not be safe! Who knows what evil lurks in pirated
> software!?!"
>
> But, once you fork over the money for a valid key, all that "DANGER/evil"
> is exorcised forever. I wish I could write smart software like that.
>
>

Well I guess it is for those people who can't get bug fixes anymore 
because the update site knows they have pirate software ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:21:06AM +0100, KH wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 23:51, schrieb Mick:
> 
> >>
> >> In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
> >> is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)
> >
> > But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only
> > run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.
> >
> > I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on
> > another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I
> > remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.
> 
> I am not in that to deep. IIRC oem has no meaning in Germany. This is 
> part of the license agreement what you have to accept after buying the 
> software. Law says you have to accept it before or it is not part of the 
> contract.
> I never tried lately but you should be able to install from every Win CD 
> you find and just use the code from that green sticker. There even is a 
> tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once 
> hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal 
> again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done 
> without installing everything again.
> 
> But again I don't know if it works in every constellation nor if it is 
> legal everywhere.
> 
> kh
> 

I don't live -too- far off from Germany and take trips down there every now and again. Perhaps I should consider my next laptop purchase when I'm there.

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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[gentoo-user] Shhhhhhh... it's not a tax; it's actually a subsidy

[Walter Dnes]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 07:17:30PM +0000, Mick wrote

> TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on 
> all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop.

  Shhhhhhh... it's not a tax; it's actually.  The reason that so many
OEMs load up their new machines with "craplets" is because they get paid
good money by the publishers of these apps to load them on.  That in
turn reduces the price of a PC by more than what an OEM Windows licence
costs.


-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Keith Dart]

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=== On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
> r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
> setting :)

===

This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen. 


-- Keith Dart

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

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Score 2 points for mr. obvious. :D

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Keith Dart <keith@dartworks.biz> wrote:

> === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
> > r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
> > setting :)
>
> ===
>
> This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.
>
>
> -- Keith Dart
>
> --
>
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   Keith Dart <keith@dartworks.biz>
>   public key: ID: 19017044
>   <http://www.dartworks.biz/>
>   =====================================================================
>



-- 
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IT/IS Consultant
(613) 355-5977

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Keith Dart wrote:
> === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
>    
>> r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
>> setting :)
>>      
> ===
>
> This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.
>
>
> -- Keith Dart
>
>    

You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had 
longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with 
unsubscribe in it to start something.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 21:19:04 Dale wrote:
> Keith Dart wrote:
> > === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
> > 
> >> r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
> >> setting :)
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.
> > 
> > 
> > -- Keith Dart
> 
> You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had
> longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with
> unsubscribe in it to start something.

And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread ever 
outside of UseNet.

It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!

It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg (ebuild 
sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal at all. 
What will we talk about now on slow news days?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alex Schuster]

Alan McKinnon asks:

> And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread
> ever outside of UseNet.
> 
> It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!
> 
> It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
> (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use
> hal at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?

I suggest KDE4. It's really getting on my nerves at the moment. But I 
don't want to quit using it either, now that I arranged my desktops and 
activities and plasmoids and stuff. Isn't KDE 4.5 about to be there soon 
and fix all those tings not running? No? 

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:16:12PM +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Alan McKinnon asks:
> 
> > And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread
> > ever outside of UseNet.
> > 
> > It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!
> > 
> > It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
> > (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use
> > hal at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
> 
> I suggest KDE4. It's really getting on my nerves at the moment. But I 
> don't want to quit using it either, now that I arranged my desktops and 
> activities and plasmoids and stuff. Isn't KDE 4.5 about to be there soon 
> and fix all those tings not running? No? 
> 
> 	Wonko
> 

+1 for KDE4 ;)

I'm guessing 4.5 will fix some, not all, things and bring you a world of new flaws to explore! Consider yourself Dr. Livingstone in KDE world ;)

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 March 2010 21:19:04 Dale wrote:
>    
>> Keith Dart wrote:
>>      
>>> === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
>>>
>>>        
>>>> r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
>>>> setting :)
>>>>          
>>> ===
>>>
>>> This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Keith Dart
>>>        
>> You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had
>> longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with
>> unsubscribe in it to start something.
>>      
> And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread ever
> outside of UseNet.
>
> It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!
>
> It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg (ebuild
> sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal at all.
> What will we talk about now on slow news days?
>
>    

Then it will be policykit, devicekit or whatever the new name will be.

Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping 
for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential 
instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a 
slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.   All 
I need is a little check box to disable the random part.

Maybe one day everything will be perfect. < Dale holds his breath >

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alex Schuster]

Dale writes:

> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
> hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
> sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
> be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
> All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.

Is there a bug report files already?

> Maybe one day everything will be perfect. < Dale holds his breath >

But then KDE 4 will be outdated already and they are doing KDE 5. I heard 
it will have some really cool features and gizmos and stuff, you know!

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale writes:
>
>    
>> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
>> hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
>> sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
>> be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
>> All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
>>      
> Is there a bug report files already?
>    

I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.  Am I the only person 
that would take pictures intending them to be a slide show?  I know I'm 
"different" but surely not that much.   ;-)

>    
>> Maybe one day everything will be perfect.<  Dale holds his breath>
>>      
> But then KDE 4 will be outdated already and they are doing KDE 5. I heard
> it will have some really cool features and gizmos and stuff, you know!
>
> 	Wonko
>
>    

I'm hoping that when they start releasing KDE5, they support KDE4 
longer.  The dropping of KDE3 was way to soon.  My brother wants to use 
Linux but I don't want to install KDE3 since it is not supported from a 
security point of view but I also don't want to install KDE4 which is 
still pretty buggy.  That said, I have been using KDE4 for several 
weeks.  My slide show is the only issue that I have yet to work around.  
I plan to install Mandriva for him.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Michael Edenfield]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
> (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
> at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?

$5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.

--K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:50:08PM -0400, Michael Edenfield wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> > It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
> > (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
> > at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
> 
> $5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.
> 
> --K
> 

The problem about that one is that I doubt that anyone will bet against you ;)

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Michael Edenfield wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>    
>> It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
>> (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
>> at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
>>      
> $5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.
>
> --K
>
>    

But I will try.  Funny thing is, hal works for everything BUT xorg.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Mittwoch, 24. März 2010 schrieb Dale:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Dale writes:
> >> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
> >> hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
> >> sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
> >> be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
> >> All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
> > 
> > Is there a bug report files already?
> 
> I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.

*g* that’s the right approach. Last week I filed a bug for Amarok that’s been 
there for months now, so I assumed it was already known. It turned out that it 
wasn’t (at least to the devs).

If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account just for 
one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 24. März 2010 schrieb Dale:
>    
>> Alex Schuster wrote:
>>      
>>> Dale writes:
>>>        
>>>> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
>>>> hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
>>>> sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
>>>> be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
>>>> All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
>>>>          
>>> Is there a bug report files already?
>>>        
>> I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
>>      
> *g* that’s the right approach. Last week I filed a bug for Amarok that’s been
> there for months now, so I assumed it was already known. It turned out that it
> wasn’t (at least to the devs).
>
> If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account just for
> one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
>    

If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to 
disable the random part of the slide show.  The slide show in KDE3 was 
not random so I figure a option will be added at some point.  Then 
again, maybe not.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping for
> some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of
> random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a slideshow but if done
> in random order, they make no sense at all.   All I need is a little check
> box to disable the random part.

If you're not afraid of doing a little scripting you might be able to
whip something together yourself using this:

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Scripted+Image+Wallpaper+Plugin?content=115147

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping for
>> some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of
>> random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a slideshow but if done
>> in random order, they make no sense at all.   All I need is a little check
>> box to disable the random part.
>>      
> If you're not afraid of doing a little scripting you might be able to
> whip something together yourself using this:
>
> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Scripted+Image+Wallpaper+Plugin?content=115147
>
>    

I would have to modify the script since it does random too.  If KDE4 
isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing 
scripts.  LOL  I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks 
on KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either.  I even searched around 
in the config files and maybe changing a USE flag.  Still nothing yet.  
I really think it will be there eventually tho.

Here's to hoping.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 26.03.2010 00:24, schrieb Dale:
>
> I would have to modify the script since it does random too. If KDE4
> isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing
> scripts. LOL I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks on
> KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either. I even searched around in
> the config files and maybe changing a USE flag. Still nothing yet. I
> really think it will be there eventually tho.
>
> Here's to hoping.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>

USE="-random" emerge kde4  -  Having something like that would be fun :-)

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:
> Am 26.03.2010 00:24, schrieb Dale:
>>
>> I would have to modify the script since it does random too. If KDE4
>> isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing
>> scripts. LOL I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks on
>> KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either. I even searched around in
>> the config files and maybe changing a USE flag. Still nothing yet. I
>> really think it will be there eventually tho.
>>
>> Here's to hoping.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-) :-)
>>
>
> USE="-random" emerge kde4  -  Having something like that would be fun :-)
>
> kh
>
>

Just for giggles:

root@smoker ~ # euse -i random
global use flags (searching: random)
************************************************************
no matching entries found

local use flags (searching: random)
************************************************************
no matching entries found
root@smoker ~ #

Maybe it will be added later.   LOL  What gets me, this is so simple and 
trivial.  It sure does mess up my slide show tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Dale:

>>>>> I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of random.
>>>> Is there a bug report files already?
>>> I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
>> If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account
>> just for one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
> If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to
> disable the random part of the slide show.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232517 :-)
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"Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy." (R. Heinlein)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Dale:
>
>    
>>>>>> I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of random.
>>>>>>              
>>>>> Is there a bug report files already?
>>>>>            
>>>> I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
>>>>          
>>> If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account
>>> just for one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
>>>        
>> If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to
>> disable the random part of the slide show.
>>      
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232517 :-)
>    

Yeppie !  Thanks for filing that for me.  Maybe it will pop up in a 
couple more releases.  Surely it can't be hard to disable it.  I would 
think it was harder to enable it.  lol

Thanks again.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 24.03.2010 23:18, schrieb Dale:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
>> Is there a bug report files already?
>
> I haven't filed one. I'm just hoping someone has.

Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year 
alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs 
haven't been bumped for 5 years.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:
> Am 24.03.2010 23:18, schrieb Dale:
>> Alex Schuster wrote:
>>> Is there a bug report files already?
>>
>> I haven't filed one. I'm just hoping someone has.
>
> Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year 
> alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs 
> haven't been bumped for 5 years.
>
> kh
>
>

That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so 
they filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as 
it is filed.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
>> ...
>> Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this  
>> year alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some  
>> programs haven't been bumped for 5 years.
>
> That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so  
> they filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long  
> as it is filed.

It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when  
revisions are available.

Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you  
download it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the  
updated version before it's available in the Portage tree (some  
ebuilds are attached to bugs for packages which never become accepted)  
and you can at least add a "works for me" comment and encourage the  
devs by remarking how useful it is to you.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Stroller
<stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year
>>> alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs haven't
>>> been bumped for 5 years.
>>
>> That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so they
>> filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as it is
>> filed.
>
> It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when
> revisions are available.
>
> Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you download
> it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the updated version
> before it's available in the Portage tree (some ebuilds are attached to bugs
> for packages which never become accepted) and you can at least add a "works
> for me" comment and encourage the devs by remarking how useful it is to you.

And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the problem, you
can vote for bugs that are important to you.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Stroller
> <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>  wrote:
>    
>> On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
>>      
>>>> ...
>>>> Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year
>>>> alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs haven't
>>>> been bumped for 5 years.
>>>>          
>>> That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so they
>>> filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as it is
>>> filed.
>>>        
>> It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when
>> revisions are available.
>>
>> Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you download
>> it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the updated version
>> before it's available in the Portage tree (some ebuilds are attached to bugs
>> for packages which never become accepted) and you can at least add a "works
>> for me" comment and encourage the devs by remarking how useful it is to you.
>>      
> And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the problem, you
> can vote for bugs that are important to you.
>
>    

This wasn't filed on Gentoo's bug report.  It was filed on KDE's bug 
report.  So it's not a ebuild issue, it's just a lack of coding from 
upstream.  I have a Gentoo account but I rarely file anything.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[dan blum]

If one tries to modify the ebuild and test a change, the system issues a file size error. How do you get around that?

--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:11 AM
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM,
> Stroller
> <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>> Filling bug reports is important. I filled
> over 50 on b.g.o this year
> >>> alone. All of them are version bumps or bad
> homepages. Some programs haven't
> >>> been bumped for 5 years.
> >>
> >> That is true but I don't have a account
> there.  Someone else does so they
> >> filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters
> who files it as long as it is
> >> filed.
> >
> > It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates,
> and help test when
> > revisions are available.
> >
> > Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to
> the bug - you download
> > it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get
> the updated version
> > before it's available in the Portage tree (some
> ebuilds are attached to bugs
> > for packages which never become accepted) and you can
> at least add a "works
> > for me" comment and encourage the devs by remarking
> how useful it is to you.
> 
> And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the
> problem, you
> can vote for bugs that are important to you.
> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 30 March 2010 01:57:05 dan blum wrote:
> If one tries to modify the ebuild and test a change, the system issues a
> file size error. How do you get around that?


ebuild /path/to/ebuild/file.ebuild manifest

explanation: man ebuild

However, your next --sync will revert your change. Copy the ebuild to your 
private overlay and modify it there to preserve your changes.

More details: portage documentation gotten via:

equery files portage | grep man






> 
> --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:11 AM
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM,
> > Stroller
> > <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
> > >>> ...
> > >>> Filling bug reports is important. I filled
> > 
> > over 50 on b.g.o this year
> > 
> > >>> alone. All of them are version bumps or bad
> > 
> > homepages. Some programs haven't
> > 
> > >>> been bumped for 5 years.
> > >> 
> > >> That is true but I don't have a account
> > 
> > there.  Someone else does so they
> > 
> > >> filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters
> > 
> > who files it as long as it is
> > 
> > >> filed.
> > > 
> > > It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates,
> > 
> > and help test when
> > 
> > > revisions are available.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to
> > 
> > the bug - you download
> > 
> > > it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get
> > 
> > the updated version
> > 
> > > before it's available in the Portage tree (some
> > 
> > ebuilds are attached to bugs
> > 
> > > for packages which never become accepted) and you can
> > 
> > at least add a "works
> > 
> > > for me" comment and encourage the devs by remarking
> > 
> > how useful it is to you.
> > 
> > And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the
> > problem, you
> > can vote for bugs that are important to you.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] help

[Linux User #332203]

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 15:19:46 -0600, Linux User #332203 wrote:

X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0

> 
> 
> 

Changing your mailer may help with the white text on a white background
problem :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Law of Mechanical Repair: After your hands become coated with
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[gentoo-user] help

[Dan Hunter]

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 23.02.2013 10:28, schrieb Dan Hunter:
>
>
no

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 23.02.2013 10:28, schrieb Dan Hunter:
>>
> no
>
>

Double no.  Next he will try the "unsubscribe" in the subject line angle
with little success there either.  Then someone will post the nice long
reply about the unsubscribe kit and all its options.  I find that one
funny tho so I usually read it.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Dan Hunter]

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On 02/23/13 17:07, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 23.02.2013 10:28, schrieb Dan Hunter:
>> no
>>
>>
> Double no.  Next he will try the "unsubscribe" in the subject line angle
> with little success there either.  Then someone will post the nice long
> reply about the unsubscribe kit and all its options.  I find that one
> funny tho so I usually read it.  o_O
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
sorry expected robot reply
just want to knowurl ofthis lists. Is available http-version of gentoo lists?

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 23.02.2013 14:27, schrieb Dan Hunter:
> On 02/23/13 17:07, Dale wrote:
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 23.02.2013 10:28, schrieb Dan Hunter:
>>> no
>>>
>>>
>> Double no.  Next he will try the "unsubscribe" in the subject line angle
>> with little success there either.  Then someone will post the nice long
>> reply about the unsubscribe kit and all its options.  I find that one
>> funny tho so I usually read it.  o_O
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
> sorry expected robot reply
> just want to knowurl ofthis lists. Is available http-version of gentoo lists?
>

look into the header of the mails your received. List-help for example.

There are many email-archives carrying this list. google is your friend.

[gentoo-user] help

[Jorge Ventura]

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Re: [gentoo-user] help

[gevisz]

чт, 4 окт. 2018 г. в 16:18, Jorge Ventura <jorge.araujo.ventura@gmail.com>:
>
>
Hm, could you, please, describe your problem in a bit more details?

Re: [gentoo-user] help

[Dale]

gevisz wrote:
> чт, 4 окт. 2018 г. в 16:18, Jorge Ventura <jorge.araujo.ventura@gmail.com>:
>>
> Hm, could you, please, describe your problem in a bit more details?
>
>

I wondered if they were trying to get list help,
gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org, when I first saw it.  If so, maybe
that email address will help them, if they still need it. 

Dale

:-)  :-)