[gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dirk Uys]

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

>
Guess it's a keyboard error?

Regards
d

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Dirk Uys wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com 
> <mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Guess it's a keyboard error?
>
> Regards
> d

Actually this is a Seamonkey error.  Seamonkey 1 doesn't work with some 
sites, banking mostly, and Seamonkey 2 just loves to send blanks emails 
to mailing lists.  I might also add that it is starting to get on my 
freaking nerves pretty bad.  That was a pretty long message with a lot 
of info in it.  Thanks for letting me know that Seamonkey was falling 
down on the job again.  I'm going to get a larger hammer here shortly.  
;-)  Here goes again.

I rebooted today after almost three months of uptime.  I noticed these 
messages when booting:

Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: BUS= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or 
SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent device, in 
/lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:6
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:10
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:14
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:18
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:20
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:24
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:26
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:28
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:30
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:32
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:34
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:36
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:38
Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future 
udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= 
to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:42

There are more but they are all pretty close to this.  I googled and 
searched the forums and the best fix seemed to be to delete the files in 
/etc/udev/, re-emerge udev andthen reboot.  So I did that.  I still get 
the same error message tho.  Some more info:

root@smoker / # uname -r
2.6.30-gentoo-r8
root@smoker / # emerge -pv udev

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] sys-fs/udev-149  USE="devfs-compat -extras (-selinux) 
-test" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

  * IMPORTANT: 1 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
  * Use eselect news to read news items.

root@smoker / #

I'm also still on baselayout 1 as well.  Is this udev?  Is it something 
else?  What's the deal here?  What am I missing?

Thanks

Dale

:-)  :-)


P. S.  Deleting those udev files tinkered with the names of my network 
cards.  So, if anyone reading this deletes those files, you may have to 
dig around to find out which card is which again.  Good thing is, they 
are back in order again instead of jumping up, down then back up again.  
lol

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:15:15 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a
> future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or
> ATTRS{}= to match a parent device,
> in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:42
> 
> There are more but they are all pretty close to this.  I googled and 
> searched the forums and the best fix seemed to be to delete the files
> in /etc/udev/, re-emerge udev andthen reboot.  So I did that.  I still
> get the same error message tho. 

Of course you did, udev is complaining about rules in /lib/udev/rules.d.
You have three choices

1) Ignore the messages, they are only deprecation warnings.
2) Fix the rules file(s) but they will be overwritten the next time you
   update that package.
3) Bug the devs to fix it.

The only time to really worry is if you get these messages from your own
rules files, then 1 is not an option while 2 and 3 become the same.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary
notation and those who don't.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:15:15 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a
>> future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or
>> ATTRS{}= to match a parent device,
>> in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:42
>>
>> There are more but they are all pretty close to this.  I googled and
>> searched the forums and the best fix seemed to be to delete the files
>> in /etc/udev/, re-emerge udev andthen reboot.  So I did that.  I still
>> get the same error message tho.
>>      
> Of course you did, udev is complaining about rules in /lib/udev/rules.d.
> You have three choices
>
> 1) Ignore the messages, they are only deprecation warnings.
> 2) Fix the rules file(s) but they will be overwritten the next time you
>     update that package.
> 3) Bug the devs to fix it.
>
> The only time to really worry is if you get these messages from your own
> rules files, then 1 is not an option while 2 and 3 become the same.
>
>    

OK.  So for once it is not me that messed up something.  :-D  I can live 
with that.

Now to go beat up Seamonkey a little bit.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:30:19 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Now to go beat up Seamonkey a little bit.

Given the amount of trouble is causes, is it really worth the effort?
There are plenty of good email programs out there.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Use Colgate toothpaste or end up with teeth like a Ferengi.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:30:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> Now to go beat up Seamonkey a little bit.
>>      
> Given the amount of trouble is causes, is it really worth the effort?
> There are plenty of good email programs out there.
>
>    

I think it is a problem from it transferring from the old config to the 
new one.  I'm going to save my emails, clear everything out, start 
Seamonkey and let it rebuild itself, then copy my emails and such back 
over.

If that don't work, I may go to Firefox, which is installed anyway, and 
Thunderbird.  From what I have read I can transfer the emails and such 
over from there since they are set up like Seamonkey.  That's my 
understanding at least.  I could be wrong on that.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 04:59 -0500, Dale wrote:

> If that don't work, I may go to Firefox, which is installed anyway, and 
> Thunderbird.  From what I have read I can transfer the emails and such 
> over from there since they are set up like Seamonkey.  That's my 
> understanding at least.  I could be wrong on that.

I've transferred thousands of emails between evolution, thunderbird,
claws and back again, no probs (except for the time it took).  I assume
seamonkey shouldn't be any different (although they may all end up
blank?!)

-- 
Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

Order and simplification are the first steps toward mastery of a subject
-- the actual enemy is the unknown.
		-- Thomas Mann

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 04:59 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> If that don't work, I may go to Firefox, which is installed anyway, and
>> Thunderbird.  From what I have read I can transfer the emails and such
>> over from there since they are set up like Seamonkey.  That's my
>> understanding at least.  I could be wrong on that.
>>      
> I've transferred thousands of emails between evolution, thunderbird,
> claws and back again, no probs (except for the time it took).  I assume
> seamonkey shouldn't be any different (although they may all end up
> blank?!)
>
>    

Actually I got it all transferred over just fine.  I made a back up of 
my home directory then just renamed the .mozilla directory.  I got a new 
profile and just copied over the email directory, bookmark, address book 
and the passwords file.  It went rather smoothly.  This link which tells 
what files are what is really helpful.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_SeaMonkey

That site seems to be down at the moment tho.  Weird.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[James Ausmus]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Mar 16 01:55:54 smoker udevd[1275]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future
> udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to
> match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules:42

<snip>


Have you checked to see who actually owns that rules file?

equery b /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules



-James

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

James Ausmus wrote:
> equery b /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules
root@smoker ~ # equery b /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules
  * Searching for /lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules ...
sys-power/nut-2.4.1-r1 (/lib/udev/rules.d/70-nut-usbups.rules)
root@smoker ~ #

I am emerging nut again and will see if that fixes it.  There are others 
that have issues as well but if this works, I'll re-emerge them as 
well.  If not, maybe it will be fixed soon.

The error I posted was just a small portion of the error.  There was a 
lot more than that.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:42:57 -0500, Dale wrote:

> 

In *nix, no output means no error, so it looks like you've already fixed
it :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable."
  - Mark Twain

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:42:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>>      
> In *nix, no output means no error, so it looks like you've already fixed
> it :)
>
>
>    

Actually, I have two problems.  The error plus this stinking Seamonkey 2 
sending blank messages.  I'm headed to the shop to get my hammer.  I got 
one of those little mini sledge hammers that I bet can beat some sense 
into Seamonkey.  lol  I just may beat the monkey out of it.  That should 
stop it from "monkeying" around with my messages.  I don't mind the sea 
part.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Philip Webb]

100316 Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> In *nix, no output means no error,
>> so it looks like you've already fixed it :)
> Actually, I have two problems.  The error
> plus this stinking Seamonkey 2 sending blank messages.

Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> 100316 Dale wrote:
>    
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>      
>>> In *nix, no output means no error,
>>> so it looks like you've already fixed it :)
>>>        
>> Actually, I have two problems.  The error
>> plus this stinking Seamonkey 2 sending blank messages.
>>      
> Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?
>
>    

I already got a mutt.  It has 4 legs, one big nose, ears that really big 
and she is really fat.  She also loves to go for a walk and sniff 
everything.  lol

I have heard of mutt.  I don't know much of anything about it tho.  I 
suspect it is command line or something tho.  Just sort of a gut feeling.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:07 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:

> Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?

Not if it uses HAL :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

I don't know if I can assimilate one more Borg Tagline!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:44:06PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:07 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> 
> > Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?
> 
> Not if it uses HAL :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Neil Bothwick
> 
> I don't know if I can assimilate one more Borg Tagline!

Hells to the no.

I use mutt. I can definately recommend it from this side of the HAL-free ocean :-)

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Willie Wong]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:37:28PM +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:44:06PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:07 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 
> > > Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?
> > 
> > Not if it uses HAL :)
> > 
> Hells to the no.
> 
> I use mutt. I can definately recommend it from this side of the HAL-free ocean :-)
I think Neil is rather aware of the fact that Mutt doesn't use HAL,
but was cracking a joke at Dale's rather well-known dislike of it.
</pedant>

Cheers, 

W

-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:19:31PM -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:37:28PM +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:44:06PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:07 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?
> > > 
> > > Not if it uses HAL :)
> > > 
> > Hells to the no.
> > 
> > I use mutt. I can definately recommend it from this side of the HAL-free ocean :-)
> I think Neil is rather aware of the fact that Mutt doesn't use HAL,
> but was cracking a joke at Dale's rather well-known dislike of it.
> </pedant>
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> W
> 
> -- 
> Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
> Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
>          et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton
> 

Dear God, I think I left my brain in the fridge this morning. I usually always look to see if Dale has been involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned :-)

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:19:31PM -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
>    
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:37:28PM +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>>      
>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:44:06PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>        
>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:07 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Have you tried Mutt (smile) ?
>>>>>            
>>>> Not if it uses HAL :)
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Hells to the no.
>>>
>>> I use mutt. I can definately recommend it from this side of the HAL-free ocean :-)
>>>        
>> I think Neil is rather aware of the fact that Mutt doesn't use HAL,
>> but was cracking a joke at Dale's rather well-known dislike of it.
>> </pedant>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> W
>>
>> -- 
>> Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
>> Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire
>>           et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton
>>
>>      
> Dear God, I think I left my brain in the fridge this morning. I usually always look to see if Dale has been involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned :-)
>
>    

I wouldn't have minded hal if it had worked.  I tried at least 4 or 5 
times to get it working and it never did.  Maybe it is my hardware, 
maybe it is the software or some combination of both.  It just didn't 
work.  Having to pull the plug on my box without a shutdown is what 
really sealed the deal.  At least Seamonkey, which likes to send blank 
messages, doesn't cause such havoc on my box.

Still looking forward to the new package.  I just hope it has plain text 
config files.  Something the average user can deal with without a rocket 
science degree.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:33:13 +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

> I usually always look to see if Dale has been involved in a thread if
> HAL is mentioned :-)

It's reasonable to assume that if he hasn't been involved in such a
thread, he soon will be :)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:33:13 +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
>
>    
>> I usually always look to see if Dale has been involved in a thread if
>> HAL is mentioned :-)
>>      
> It's reasonable to assume that if he hasn't been involved in such a
> thread, he soon will be :)
>
>
>    

Funny thing is, I don't bring up hal, everyone else does.   ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:25:29 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Funny thing is, I don't bring up hal, everyone else does.   ;-)

You bring it down :P


-- 
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Bang on the LEFT side of your computer to restart Windows

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:25:29 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> Funny thing is, I don't bring up hal, everyone else does.   ;-)
>>      
> You bring it down :P
>
>
>    
Actually, it sort of did that itself.  It broke my rig.  I don't take to 
much of a liking to something that is broke.  ;-)

That isn't just my opinion either.  It worked for a lot of people but 
for some, it just plain failed to do its thing.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:15:45 -0500, Dale wrote:

> That isn't just my opinion either.  It worked for a lot of people but 
> for some, it just plain failed to do its thing.

I know, but you're the only one to make a career out of it :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 18: Taped live

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:15:45 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> That isn't just my opinion either.  It worked for a lot of people but
>> for some, it just plain failed to do its thing.
>>      
> I know, but you're the only one to make a career out of it :)
>
>    

I didn't bring hal up.  I don't think the error I had even has anything 
to do with hal.  I think people just like to pick on me.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 16 March 2010 20:38:28 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:33:13 +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > I usually always look to see if Dale has been involved in a thread if
> > HAL is mentioned :-)
> 
> It's reasonable to assume that if he hasn't been involved in such a
> thread, he soon will be :)

And if there hasn't been a Dale and HAL thread for a week, then you cna count 
on Neil or Alan to start one :-)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 16 March 2010 17:33:13 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

> usually always look to see if ...

Sorry, but I'm having terrible trouble parsing this expression.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:17:58AM +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 March 2010 17:33:13 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> 
> > usually always look to see if ...
> 
> Sorry, but I'm having terrible trouble parsing this expression.
> 
> -- 
> Rgds
> Peter.
> 

Haha, no wonder. In the initial reply I had written that I left my brain somewhere. I think that illustrates it quite well :P

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 08:56 +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:17:58AM +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 16 March 2010 17:33:13 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > 
> > > usually always look to see if ...
> > 
> > Sorry, but I'm having terrible trouble parsing this expression.
>  
> Haha, no wonder. In the initial reply I had written that I left my
> brain somewhere. I think that illustrates it quite well :P

I don't see any need for excuses, it sounds like fine common English to
me, with the possible exception of a run-on "if".

The full sentence was "I usually always look to see if Dale has been
involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned"

-- 
Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

In war, truth is the first casualty.
		-- U Thant

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:28:16PM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 08:56 +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:17:58AM +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 16 March 2010 17:33:13 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > > 
> > > > usually always look to see if ...
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but I'm having terrible trouble parsing this expression.
> >  
> > Haha, no wonder. In the initial reply I had written that I left my
> > brain somewhere. I think that illustrates it quite well :P
> 
> I don't see any need for excuses, it sounds like fine common English to
> me, with the possible exception of a run-on "if".
> 
> The full sentence was "I usually always look to see if Dale has been
> involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned"
> 
> -- 
> Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>
> 
> In war, truth is the first casualty.
> 		-- U Thant
> 
> 

Ah it's just using two different words that describe seeing something :-)
I like to think that my english is a little better. I mean it should have been "see if" or "look to see whether" (as far as I remember anyway :-))

-- 
Zeerak Waseem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 02:05:12PM +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > I don't see any need for excuses, it sounds like fine common English to
> > me, with the possible exception of a run-on "if".
> > 
> > The full sentence was "I usually always look to see if Dale has been
> > involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned"
> Ah it's just using two different words that describe seeing something :-)
> I like to think that my english is a little better. I mean it should have been "see if" or "look to see whether" (as far as I remember anyway :-))
> 
Huh, the "look to see" part, while inelegant and repetitive, is a common
colloquialism, and I don't think was the problem. I was more thrown
off by "usually always", which is either an oxymoron (if you take a
strict view of the word "usually") or redundant (if you take "usually"
to contain "always" as a subset). </pedant>

(Looks like I only have off-topic contributions to this thread.)

W
-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:25 -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 02:05:12PM +0100, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > > I don't see any need for excuses, it sounds like fine common English to
> > > me, with the possible exception of a run-on "if".

I meant to use the word apology instead of excuse, but it was late for
me too :)

> > > The full sentence was "I usually always look to see if Dale has been
> > > involved in a thread if HAL is mentioned"
> > Ah it's just using two different words that describe seeing something :-)
> > I like to think that my english is a little better. I mean it should have been "see if" or "look to see whether" (as far as I remember anyway :-))
> > 
> Huh, the "look to see" part, while inelegant and repetitive, is a common
> colloquialism, and I don't think was the problem. I was more thrown
> off by "usually always", which is either an oxymoron (if you take a
> strict view of the word "usually") or redundant (if you take "usually"
> to contain "always" as a subset). </pedant>
> 
> (Looks like I only have off-topic contributions to this thread.)

me too.

"usually always" is also a colloquialism which means "almost always" ;)
ie. not quite always, but close to it... at least it usually always
means that.

But hey, if we were to be that picky on this list hardly anyone would be
here.  That's why we have programming languages, because English is too
forgiving and fuzzy!
-- 
Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

War is like love, it always finds a way.
		-- Bertolt Brecht, "Mother Courage"

[gentoo-user] Re: Udev error and how to fix it.

[walt]

On 03/17/2010 05:29 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> ...That's why we have programming languages, because English is too
> forgiving and fuzzy!

By George, I think you've got it.  From now on, all political campaign
speeches should be written in C.  Well, okay, maybe in COBOL for the
older ones.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev error and how to fix it.

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:57:59PM -0700, walt wrote:
> On 03/17/2010 05:29 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> >...That's why we have programming languages, because English is too
> >forgiving and fuzzy!
> 
> By George, I think you've got it.  From now on, all political campaign
> speeches should be written in C.  Well, okay, maybe in COBOL for the
> older ones.

If political speeches were written in C, this is what they'd look
like.
http://www.ioccc.org/

W

-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev error and how to fix it.

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Donnerstag 18 März 2010 schrieb walt:
> On 03/17/2010 05:29 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > ...That's why we have programming languages, because English is too
> > forgiving and fuzzy!
> 
> By George, I think you've got it.  From now on, all political campaign
> speeches should be written in C.  Well, okay, maybe in COBOL for the
> older ones.

So say we all. ;-)
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