[gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Roy Wright]

Howdy,

OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to be working pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out the kde way to configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system) printer.

From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are all disabled.  I think I need to set "Show printers shared by other systems".  So first tried \b\brunning system_settings as root to see if it's an authentication issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did some googling and thought maybe need to use kauth to allow it, again no luck.  Any good tutorials on how to use kauth?

So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?

On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set one version up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up in the new menu manager, but does using old style menus.  Any pointers on how to add items to the new menu style?

TIA,
Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[ubiquitous1980]

Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
browser and have few issues.

I trust that helps.

Damien

Roy Wright wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to be working pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out the kde way to configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system) printer.
>
> From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are all disabled.  I think I need to set "Show printers shared by other systems".  So first tried \b\brunning system_settings as root to see if it's an authentication issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did some googling and thought maybe need to use kauth to allow it, again no luck.  Any good tutorials on how to use kauth?
>
> So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?
>
> On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set one version up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up in the new menu manager, but does using old style menus.  Any pointers on how to add items to the new menu style?
>
> TIA,
> Roy
>
>
>   

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Roy Wright]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:54 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote:

> Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
> Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
> inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
> to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
> access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
> consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
> configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
> use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
> I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
> browser and have few issues.
> 
> I trust that helps.
> 
> Damien
> 

I agree, but am wanting to give kde 4.4.1 a try at handling the printer just to see if it can do it.  Currently the answer is either no or I haven't found a required configuration change.

Thank you,
Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 09 March 2010 05:15:38 Roy Wright wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:54 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote:
> > Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
> > Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
> > inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
> > to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
> > access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
> > consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
> > configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
> > use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
> > I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
> > browser and have few issues.
> >
> > I trust that helps.
> >
> > Damien
> 
> I agree, but am wanting to give kde 4.4.1 a try at handling the printer
>  just to see if it can do it.  Currently the answer is either no or I
>  haven't found a required configuration change.

I would set it up using CUPS as Damien suggested and then KDE should pick up 
the settings without any additional effort on your behalf - i.e. I would think 
that the "server settings" would no longer be disabled (as long as you have 
listen to more than the default 127.0.0.1 in cupsd.conf).

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE4 printer config question

[James]

Mick <michaelkintzios <at> gmail.com> writes:


> I would set it up using CUPS as Damien suggested and then KDE should pick up 
> the settings without any additional effort on your behalf - i.e. I would think 
> that the "server settings" would no longer be disabled (as long as you have 
> listen to more than the default 127.0.0.1 in cupsd.conf).


Yep, Mick and 
Damien are most correct on how to set up printers. All KDE 4 stuffage is
new and, well, fluid; imho...


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 09 March 2010 04:48:51 Roy Wright wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to
> be working pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out
> the kde way to configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system)
> printer.
> 
> From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are
> all disabled.  I think I need to set "Show printers shared by other
> systems".  So first tried \b\brunning system_settings as root to see
> if it's an authentication issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did
> some googling and thought maybe need to use kauth to allow it, again
> no luck.  Any good tutorials on how to use kauth?
> 
> So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?

Sounds to me as though you haven't set CUPS up right on the machine 
connected to the printer. You need it to allow other machines on your 
network to print, and maybe to administer CUPS if you want to move 
printer administration to another box.

> On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set
> one version up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up
> in the new menu manager, but does using old style menus.  Any
> pointers on how to add items to the new menu style?

You shouldn't need to be root on the client box to connect to printers 
on the server box.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Roy Wright]

On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> Sounds to me as though you haven't set CUPS up right on the machine 
> connected to the printer. You need it to allow other machines on your 
> network to print, and maybe to administer CUPS if you want to move 
> printer administration to another box.
> 

Just got CUPS working from gentoo to kubuntu.  The misunderstood part for me was the need to set up cupsd.conf for sharing even though I was only using a remote printer specified with ServerName in client.conf.

But now the KDE Printer Configuration dialog appears to be hitting https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204558

So I'm going to conclude that KDE 4.4.1 is not ready for printer configuration and just stick with CUPS.  Sad.

Thanks everyone!

Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 10 March 2010 02:25:28 Roy Wright wrote:

> But now the KDE Printer Configuration dialog appears to be hitting
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204558

Yes, I started getting this when I upgraded to 4.4.1; before that it was 
working fine. Thanks for the bug pointer.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.