From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmmkd-0002bC-BC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:28:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA420E0D24; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.askja.de (mail.askja.de [83.137.103.136]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAC9E0D24 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from static-87-79-89-40.netcologne.de ([87.79.89.40] helo=zone.wonkology.org) by mail.askja.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmmk4-0004CG-J4 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:27:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by zone.wonkology.org with local; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:27:50 +0100 id 00011BBD.4B8E47B6.00006C3B From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:27:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.32-tuxonice-r5; KDE/4.4.0; i686; ; ) References: <9acccfe51002231827q26e94e64s7f29ec46b6675156@mail.gmail.com> <201003011708.07141.wonko@wonkology.org> <201003012030.27972.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201003012030.27972.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003031227.46989.wonko@wonkology.org> X-Archives-Salt: 3f5416ee-e4c2-45c8-b782-c1a3cc4bf224 X-Archives-Hash: f062718205ac7d370bc4ba1ccd87b3fe Alan McKinnon writes: > On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: > > On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I > > cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve > > this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very > > unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in > > this time? > > Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my > system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that > happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, > but why is it so *slow*??? Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first. This does not feel right... BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should not take that much longer. Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected. > Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still > can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 > version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update > tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It > gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries > to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that > format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Ah, this looks familiar, I ran into this, too. > Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to > get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something > in the status bar. I'm always using the newest version that is not hard-masked. with every new version, some things get better, but others get worse. This delays and startup times are new to me, but on the other hand I did not get any file corruption for a long time. I do not like the new toolbar though. Where are the stop, forward and back buttons? And for the volume control I have to move the mouse in a circle around it... or use the scroll wheel, okay. Nah, I liked it better the way it was before. > For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine > (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of > all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't > do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And > you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live > with that. At least it starts and stays up. Nice! But not for me. I like the wikipedia stuff. And tagging, now that it seems to work. And what amarok is supposed to become. Yes, I like it much better than the old amarok, it's just that things do not already work fine. So I will keep suffering, until some day amarok will not do all the annoying stuff it currently does. The day will come! Hopefully long before they start coding amarok-3 and all gets worse again. I'll just have to wait. And wait. Thanks anyway for the tip, at least I can use clementine when I see that amarok is not running yet and did not do its 7 minutes of scanning already. Wonko