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From: Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:27:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201003031227.46989.wonko@wonkology.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003012030.27972.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>

Alan McKinnon writes:

> On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I
> > cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve
> > this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very
> > unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in
> > this time?
> 
> Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my
> system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that
> happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that,
> but why is it so *slow*???

Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder 
from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down 
my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a 
minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save 
my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I 
also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I 
can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first.

This does not feel right...

BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of 
the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should 
not take that much longer.

Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I 
have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in 
/data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my 
collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in 
/data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected.


> Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still
> can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4
> version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update
> tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It
> gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries
> to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that
> format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this.

Ah, this looks familiar, I ran into this, too.

> Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to
> get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something
> in the status bar.

I'm always using the newest version that is not hard-masked. with every 
new version, some things get better, but others get worse. This delays and 
startup times are new to me, but on the other hand I did not get any file 
corruption for a long time.
I do not like the new toolbar though. Where are the stop, forward and back 
buttons? And for the volume control I have to move the mouse in a circle 
around it... or use the scroll wheel, okay. Nah, I liked it better the way 
it was before.


> For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine
> (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of
> all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't
> do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And
> you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live
> with that. At least it starts and stays up.

Nice! But not for me. I like the wikipedia stuff. And tagging, now that it 
seems to work. And what amarok is supposed to become. Yes, I like it much 
better than the old amarok, it's just that things do not already work 
fine. So I will keep suffering, until some day amarok will not do all the 
annoying stuff it currently does. The day will come! Hopefully long before 
they start coding amarok-3 and all gets worse again. I'll just have to 
wait. And wait.

Thanks anyway for the tip, at least I can use clementine when I see that 
amarok is not running yet and did not do its 7 minutes of scanning 
already.

	Wonko



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-03 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-24  2:27 [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-24  2:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-24  3:38   ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-24  5:41     ` ubiquitous1980
2010-02-24 13:33       ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-25  0:10   ` Alex Schuster
2010-02-25  2:07     ` Peter Humphrey
2010-02-25 13:03       ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 16:08     ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 18:30       ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 19:07         ` Dale
2010-03-01 19:22           ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 20:26             ` Dale
2010-03-01 20:28             ` Mick
2010-03-01 21:17               ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-01 23:17                 ` Mick
2010-03-01 23:22                   ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 15:48             ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-03 16:43               ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 11:27         ` Alex Schuster [this message]
2010-03-03 16:49           ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:30             ` stosss
2010-03-03 20:01               ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:32             ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-03 19:56               ` Alan McKinnon
2010-03-03 17:54             ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-04 14:12               ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 20:12                 ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 21:07                   ` Philip Webb
2010-03-11  9:25                     ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-12  1:59                       ` Philip Webb
2010-03-12  6:59                         ` Mick
2010-03-12 10:19                         ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-12 15:32                           ` Paul Hartman
2010-03-13 11:15                             ` Neil Bothwick
2010-03-09 21:52                   ` Dale
2010-03-11 14:22                     ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-11 20:14                       ` Dale
2010-03-12  9:27                         ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-09 22:20                   ` Mick
2010-06-16 23:23                     ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-17 13:31                       ` Mick
2010-06-19 19:03                         ` Alex Schuster
2010-04-22 14:58           ` Alex Schuster
2010-03-01 20:34       ` Mick
2010-03-03 16:13         ` Alex Schuster
2010-02-24 13:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 13:41   ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-02-24 14:12     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 14:23       ` Christian Schulze
2010-02-24 16:03         ` Dale
2010-02-24 16:17           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 16:47             ` Dale
2010-02-24 16:58               ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 14:28       ` Crístian Viana
2010-02-24 14:46         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 15:32           ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-24 16:43     ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-24 16:52       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-25 20:55         ` Frank Steinmetzger
2010-02-24 16:59       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 17:08         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-24 17:53           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 17:57             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-24 18:31               ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 18:12         ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-24 18:32           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-02-24 21:25             ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-02-25  4:17         ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-25  4:22           ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-02-25  9:16           ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-25 19:45             ` Dale
2010-02-25 20:59           ` Frank Steinmetzger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-19 20:23 [gentoo-user] " Alex Schuster
2010-06-20 15:52 ` Kevin O'Gorman
2010-06-28 22:50   ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-28 23:16 Mateusz Mierzwiński
2010-06-29 14:23 ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 14:38   ` Neil Bothwick
2010-06-29 22:40     ` Mick
2010-06-29 23:16       ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 23:21         ` Alan McKinnon
2010-06-30  6:23           ` Mick
2010-06-30  9:30             ` Peter Humphrey
2010-06-30 10:17               ` Mick
2010-06-30 10:35                 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-06-30  0:55         ` Neil Bothwick
2010-06-30 10:46           ` Alex Schuster
2010-07-04 19:57   ` Alex Schuster
2010-06-29 15:45 Mateusz Mierzwiński
     [not found] <f0vMl-rW-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <f0JZ1-4aw-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
2010-06-29 15:50   ` David W Noon

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