From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NmErq-0005fn-TT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:17:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A184EE0CAD; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46450E0CAD for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so1132472bwz.29 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:17:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=9Xspi+oWYQIm2wqvcbYALsoOT24jsF+WpN3wYONLDNU=; b=H1F+l2FC9Ls5VwRVvIQRRBybtYyRHKY853HORrTCfihizM8zb13fLqgaGVDJk33oI3 2VCma+nbBPacotFIR+GS2Z081WUCiKg8oqogMGgiXYxpa/xSqudtMDrC8m78o3CbPPBX R68NAFAOORnDDV4+T8MCXeWqubYf6mY9/6aVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=pjGJoWyrbj/zCsNv+ctM3HtJY9/8vUwYttGLEdP1wBforGPW+m9CYuwY1llDZLF6yd kPpCkWlksC782YI/+EXx+UMis8xXxHFvDKhdfyMsTCGb1e7aBmOezRgdLpOGfqWMZ3rj Y/PBJyY/PAANrZTfJRvCQLHbGD79UeiCHhWts= Received: by 10.204.128.82 with SMTP id j18mr3564283bks.133.1267485433529; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lappy.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm1231842bka.4.2010.03.01.15.17.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:17:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:17:06 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.31-gentoo-r10; KDE/4.3.5; i686; ; ) References: <9acccfe51002231827q26e94e64s7f29ec46b6675156@mail.gmail.com> <201003012028.54948.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <201003012317.24181.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201003012317.24181.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1735547.OpOxC32imU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003012317.10463.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 893cebe2-5e02-4f55-8a66-00a09461a6fb X-Archives-Hash: c0403338cca18e258651cfb26c68248b --nextPart1735547.OpOxC32imU Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 01 March 2010 21:17:23 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: > > > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X > > > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I > > > want it to just > > > > > > use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widge= ts > > > must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running > > > there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it > > > out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell th= at > > > makes it happen. > > > > How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, > > LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage > > back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't fi= nd > > a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. >=20 > As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs > started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about > last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in > on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton > changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the > next ... :-) >=20 > So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since. >=20 > e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's > not "like" anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame a= re > twofold: >=20 > 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you > will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed = in > with image files.... e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You wri= te > an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, > not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and > supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a > mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme > applied. It's not just a simple "replace all those .pngs with these .png= s" > to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel = of > the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it. >=20 > 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so, > including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist. > Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dial= og > which improves things. >=20 > Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog = in > some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell > some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM > mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as > minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your > needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is > designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar > opposite of that Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying=20 different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some=20 years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my=20 apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am try= ing=20 to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of=20 (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see= =20 what gives. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart1735547.OpOxC32imU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkuMSvYACgkQVTDTR3kpaLbkhACgpiqxVKCfOX8yKWZwKaT0zZaq 5GQAn0/MhR5GUCtRCoZeYziEia+nwVTm =5GWU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1735547.OpOxC32imU--