From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nm8Bh-0004eg-GG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:09:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8200AE0A95; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.askja.de (mail.askja.de [83.137.103.136]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55658E0A95 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from static-87-79-89-40.netcologne.de ([87.79.89.40] helo=zone.wonkology.org) by mail.askja.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nm8AF-0002NX-IV for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:08:11 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by zone.wonkology.org with local; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:08:09 +0100 id 0001000C.4B8BE669.000023D4 From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:08:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.32-tuxonice-r5; KDE/4.4.0; i686; ; ) References: <9acccfe51002231827q26e94e64s7f29ec46b6675156@mail.gmail.com> <201002240336.51695.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <201002250110.20777.wonko@wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <201002250110.20777.wonko@wonkology.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003011708.07141.wonko@wonkology.org> X-Archives-Salt: 65bca585-b966-4d3a-add9-bc8290720447 X-Archives-Hash: ea8054f3c208b004aad68248f95ab2d3 Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] > And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes > it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no > longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to > become really stable and usable. And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. So again I renamed the .kde4 directory and got one from my last backup. The desktop came up, but kmail failed, due to akonadi not finding its database. I thought it had to do with the mysql update so I masked that one and tried to build an older version, but it did not build. Now I see this was not the old version I had running, but something in between. Anyway, the problem was another one, I had to rebuild qt-sql. I had some Qt blockers during the last @world update that the newest portage did not resolve, so I did an emerge -1av $( qlist -I qt- ) - after this, @world was updateable. Maybe this emerge -1 stuff was the problem, I have no idea. Then I wanted my last session back, as I had changed some things since the last backup and I also wanted my konqueror sessions - no idea where those are stored. So again I took the .kde directory (A) which was not working and the one from the last backup (B), and moved files from B to A until A was working again. And did so until I found which exact file was responsible for plasma-desktop not running (it was share/config/plasma- desktop-appletsrc). I had to reboot many times, because when KDE4 was running and plasma crashed, I had no way to log out adn had to restart the X server. And when switching to a text console and back to the newly started X server, I get an empty display on all consoles, probably due to the fglrx drivers. I know that already, but as I did not got any other drivers to run, I am stuck with ati-drivers. At least I have desktop effects and stuff running. You can lose a lot of time with this. And I am wondering if KDE4 is the right thing for me. On the one hand, I like it very much. And it is getting better and better. I just discovered that I can tab windows, this is soo cool. On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? And KDE4 is slow. That maybe another problem, something seems to be wrong here, I'd expect the system to be faster, and not make any pauses when emerge is running (niced to 19 and also ioniced). I do not want to wait for seconds when switching desktops (sometimes its fast, sometimes not). Sorry for the whining, Wonko