Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[David W Noon]

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:20:01 +0100, Mark Knecht wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not:

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>Thanks but no. In fact the one binary thing on the system that comes
>to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>I'm building that isn't!

Possibly a stupid question: have you enabled the "cups" USE flag for
these packages, or even globally in /etc/make.conf ?
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[gentoo-user] CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
"HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5". The printer does work from Open
Office and printing test pages.

   Are default names like that a problem for Gnome which is the
environment my dad is using?

   The machine is remote so I'm having to ssh in and run apps remotely.

   On my machine running Gnome I didn't find any global configuration
for printing in the system menus. I typically run XFCE so I'm not
deeply familiar with what Gnome offers in terms of printer setup.

Thanks in advance,
Mark

[gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[walt]

On 02/23/2010 06:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Hi,
>     I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
> apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
> Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
> to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
> the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
> "HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5".

Ugly?  I think it's quite fetching, really.  Are you sure you're a real
computer nerd?

I have an HP LaserJet 3015 that works with everything in my gnome DE,
but IIRC I struggled until I discovered the net-print/hplip package,
which is the opensource driver supplied by HP.  It does everything
including faxing, printing, and high-res color scanning all from my
HP multi-function printer.

Does your dad's machine have that package installed and configured?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 06:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>    I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
>> apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
>> Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
>> to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
>> the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
>> "HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5".
>
> Ugly?  I think it's quite fetching, really.  Are you sure you're a real
> computer nerd?
>
> I have an HP LaserJet 3015 that works with everything in my gnome DE,
> but IIRC I struggled until I discovered the net-print/hplip package,
> which is the opensource driver supplied by HP.  It does everything
> including faxing, printing, and high-res color scanning all from my
> HP multi-function printer.
>
> Does your dad's machine have that package installed and configured?
>
>
>

Yes, version 3.9.12-r1 is installed but I'm not totally sure I'm using
the driver it supplied.

gandalf ~ # emerge -pv hplip

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] net-print/hplip-3.9.12-r1  USE="gtk hpcups libnotify
qt4 -doc -fax -hpijs -minimal -new-hpcups -parport -policykit -scanner
-snmp -static-ppds -udev-acl" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

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gandalf ~ #



# Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.3.11
# Written by cupsd on 2010-02-23 11:32
<Printer HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5>
Info HP LaserJet M1522nf MFP
Location Local Printer
DeviceURI socket://192.168.1.5
State Idle
StateTime 1266953458
Accepting Yes
Shared Yes
JobSheets none none
QuotaPeriod 0
PageLimit 0
KLimit 0
OpPolicy default
ErrorPolicy stop-printer
</Printer>

Again, I figured it was working because Open Office finds it without
any trouble, but his Gnome account doesn't. (Nor does mine actually -
I cannot print from Firefox in my account either.)

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 23 Feb, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02/23/2010 06:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>    I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
>>> apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
>>> Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
>>> to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
>>> the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
>>> "HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5".
>>

Just one note,
are you using a binary version of firefox, etc, on a 64 bit machine?
I had the same problem here.
This was easily solved by replacing the binary version by the native
(freshly compiled) version here.
Helmut.

-- 
Helmut Jarausch

Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Helmut Jarausch
<jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
> On 23 Feb, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 02/23/2010 06:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>    I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
>>>> apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
>>>> Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
>>>> to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
>>>> the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
>>>> "HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5".
>>>
>
> Just one note,
> are you using a binary version of firefox, etc, on a 64 bit machine?
> I had the same problem here.
> This was easily solved by replacing the binary version by the native
> (freshly compiled) version here.
> Helmut.
>
> --
> Helmut Jarausch

Thanks but no. In fact the one binary thing on the system that comes
to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
I'm building that isn't!

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

Mark Knecht wrote:

>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Helmut Jarausch
>> <jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>> > On 23 Feb, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On 02/23/2010 06:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>> ?? ??I'm looking around in vain for info on why some apps (Open Office
>> >>>> apps for instance) see printers while other apps (Evolution and
>> >>>> Firefox for instance) do not. Apps that don't work seem to offer print
>> >>>> to file and print to LPR. On the other hand Open Office provides only
>> >>>> the obscenely ugly CUPS printer name
>> >>>> "HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5".
>> >>>
>> >
>> > Just one note,
>> > are you using a binary version of firefox, etc, on a 64 bit machine?
>> > I had the same problem here.
>> > This was easily solved by replacing the binary version by the native
>> > (freshly compiled) version here.
>> > Helmut.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Helmut Jarausch
>> 
>> Thanks but no. In fact the one binary thing on the system that comes
>> to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>> I'm building that isn't!
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> 
Hello,

Is this anything to do with GTK? I have the same problem, in cups it is
fine, but say something like xpdf or firefox and only the print lpr is
there.


-- 
Regards,
Roundyz

[gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[james]

Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:

> the one binary thing on the system that comes
> to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
> I'm building that isn't!


Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?

It may or maynot make a difference.



hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, james <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> the one binary thing on the system that comes
>> to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>> I'm building that isn't!
>
>
> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>
> It may or maynot make a difference.
>
>
>
> hth,
> James

It is not globally set and setting it causes a number of things to get
installed and rebuilt including gnome-cups-manager. Sounds like a good
use flag in this case.

Rebuilding now. Maybe in an hour we'll have an answer.

Thanks!

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, james <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> the one binary thing on the system that comes
>>> to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>>> I'm building that isn't!
>>
>>
>> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>>
>> It may or maynot make a difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> hth,
>> James
>
> It is not globally set and setting it causes a number of things to get
> installed and rebuilt including gnome-cups-manager. Sounds like a good
> use flag in this case.
>
> Rebuilding now. Maybe in an hour we'll have an answer.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Mark
>
Thanks James. At least for me remotely that enabled printing from
within Firefox.

Waiting now for my dad to check it out locally.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

james wrote:

>> 
>> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > the one binary thing on the system that comes
>> > to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>> > I'm building that isn't!
>> 
>> 
>> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>> 
>> It may or maynot make a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> hth,
>> James
>> 

No, I copied the make.conf from a different machine a decided I nver
needed it :( 

I've enabled it now, but another thing is it safe to delete an entry
from my world file, so when I update it isn't everything?
-- 
Regards,
Roundyz

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM,  <roundyz@hotmail.ru> wrote:
> james wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > the one binary thing on the system that comes
>>> > to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>>> > I'm building that isn't!
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>>>
>>> It may or maynot make a difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hth,
>>> James
>>>
>
> No, I copied the make.conf from a different machine a decided I nver
> needed it :(
>
> I've enabled it now, but another thing is it safe to delete an entry
> from my world file, so when I update it isn't everything?
> --
> Regards,
> Roundyz
>
>

Try

equery hasuse cups

on my machine it was only something like 8 or 9 packages. It might not
be a real big problem to enable it globally.

It did work for me.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

Mark Knecht wrote:
>> 
>> equery hasuse cups
>> 
>> on my machine it was only something like 8 or 9 packages. It might not
>> be a real big problem to enable it globally.
>> 
>> It did work for me.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> 
roundyz@Lister ~ $ sudo emerge -vp equery

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "equery".


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  roundyz@Lister ~ $ esearch equery
  [ Results for search key : equery ]
  [ Applications found : 0 ]
  
   
   roundyz@Lister ~ $ sudo equery   
   sudo: equery: command not found
   roundyz@Lister ~ $  


So what package is it part of?

-- 
Regards,
Roundyz

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Alex Schuster]

roundyz@hotmail.ru writes:

> roundyz@Lister ~ $ sudo emerge -vp equery
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "equery".
[...]
> So what package is it part of?

wonko@weird ~ $ equery belongs /usr/bin/equery
 * Searching for /usr/bin/equery ...
app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0_rc8-r1 (/usr/bin/equery)

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

Alex Schuster wrote:

>> 
>> roundyz@hotmail.ru writes:
>> 
>> > roundyz@Lister ~ $ sudo emerge -vp equery
>> > 
>> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>> > 
>> > Calculating dependencies... done!
>> > 
>> > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "equery".
>> [...]
>> > So what package is it part of?
>> 
>> wonko@weird ~ $ equery belongs /usr/bin/equery
>>  * Searching for /usr/bin/equery ...
>> app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0_rc8-r1 (/usr/bin/equery)
>> 
>> 	Wonko
>> 
>> 

-- 
Cheers mate!

Regards,
Roundyz

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

Mark Knecht wrote:

>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM,  <roundyz@hotmail.ru> wrote:
>> > james wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> >>>
>> >>> > the one binary thing on the system that comes
>> >>> > to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>> >>> > I'm building that isn't!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>> >>>
>> >>> It may or maynot make a difference.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> hth,
>> >>> James
>> >>>
>> >
>> > No, I copied the make.conf from a different machine a decided I nver
>> > needed it :(
>> >
>> > I've enabled it now, but another thing is it safe to delete an entry
>> > from my world file, so when I update it isn't everything?
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Roundyz
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Try
>> 
>> equery hasuse cups
>> 
>> on my machine it was only something like 8 or 9 packages. It might not
>> be a real big problem to enable it globally.
>> 
>> It did work for me.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
Emerging gtk+ again now, with cups enabled, to see if it is GTK thats
the problem.



-- 
Regards,
Roundyz

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[roundyz]

roundyz@hotmail.ru wrote:

>> 
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM,  <roundyz@hotmail.ru> wrote:
>> >> > james wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Mark Knecht <markknecht <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > the one binary thing on the system that comes
>> >> >>> > to mind is Open Office in which printing is working. It's the stuff
>> >> >>> > I'm building that isn't!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Have you set the "cups" flag in make.conf?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It may or maynot make a difference.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> hth,
>> >> >>> James
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> > No, I copied the make.conf from a different machine a decided I nver
>> >> > needed it :(
>> >> >
>> >> > I've enabled it now, but another thing is it safe to delete an entry
>> >> > from my world file, so when I update it isn't everything?
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Roundyz
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> Try
>> >> 
>> >> equery hasuse cups
>> >> 
>> >> on my machine it was only something like 8 or 9 packages. It might not
>> >> be a real big problem to enable it globally.
>> >> 
>> >> It did work for me.
>> >> 
>> >> - Mark
>> >> 
>> Emerging gtk+ again now, with cups enabled, to see if it is GTK thats
>> the problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Roundyz
>> 
>> 
I was right! gtk+ has now enabled the printers to be seen.

-- 
Regards,
Roundyz

[gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[walt]

On 02/23/2010 09:39 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:

>
> # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.3.11
> # Written by cupsd on 2010-02-23 11:32
> <Printer HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5>
> Info HP LaserJet M1522nf MFP
> Location Local Printer
> DeviceURI socket://192.168.1.5
> State Idle
> StateTime 1266953458
> Accepting Yes
> Shared Yes
> JobSheets none none
> QuotaPeriod 0
> PageLimit 0
> KLimit 0
> OpPolicy default
> ErrorPolicy stop-printer
> </Printer>
>
> Again, I figured it was working because Open Office finds it without
> any trouble, but his Gnome account doesn't. (Nor does mine actually -
> I cannot print from Firefox in my account either.)

Can firefox see the cups html interface at localhost:631 ?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CUPS - Some apps see printers, some do not

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:34 AM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 09:39 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>>
>> # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.3.11
>> # Written by cupsd on 2010-02-23 11:32
>> <Printer HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP_192.168.1.5>
>> Info HP LaserJet M1522nf MFP
>> Location Local Printer
>> DeviceURI socket://192.168.1.5
>> State Idle
>> StateTime 1266953458
>> Accepting Yes
>> Shared Yes
>> JobSheets none none
>> QuotaPeriod 0
>> PageLimit 0
>> KLimit 0
>> OpPolicy default
>> ErrorPolicy stop-printer
>> </Printer>
>>
>> Again, I figured it was working because Open Office finds it without
>> any trouble, but his Gnome account doesn't. (Nor does mine actually -
>> I cannot print from Firefox in my account either.)
>
> Can firefox see the cups html interface at localhost:631 ?
>

Yes - that's how I'm administering the machine as it's 350 miles away.

From the CUPS interface at port 631 I can delete the printer, add the
printer automatically - CUPS finds it when I ask it to look for new
printers - and I can print test pages form within the management
interface. I can run Open Office and print pages on the printer. OO
sees the printer with the exact big, ugly name I left as default in
CUPS. My dad says the pages show up and he's right because he reads me
what I typed in. It's all the other apps I've tried remotely
(Evolution in my dad's account & Firefox in mine) that don't find the
printer.

Curious...

Cheers,
Mark