From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NgS7x-0001Fw-2f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:14:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11F3DE0768; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f223.google.com (mail-fx0-f223.google.com [209.85.220.223]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C6FE0768 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm23 with SMTP id 23so3863458fxm.2 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:13:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=ePqtWekjnUg+P00DguqUtNfLvkgtg0ctMZ5ipDrmn6w=; b=mMrYv6qBZqHiuLbCsB8uTrITh6Q+tPXKjIW4u55v5gcIzy2X65txYXYC7ze6ruNw5q Mjv692hR/IDgyqoM7bRrFGPTemkuCP9zqGV5UJJkmQzcV0RWwcO4pdfdNmqyfqzzpwGI oY1bKFZEiO/aLJ2GrIbgNTg7g8zXtiAGFk0+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=vJLZO3Dkp7ad4ufximBZ6luu3ZeWHhnbDKoELdx73Px3FxPuMLnPXk9K1/KVDNtTeb NC7rAkz6hM3rDTm+XVahEWEMfaZ6kSCC4p+FQ/M7a9UXqQDx+B2gDVn1kH0XIJBeyMoJ RFrgJ+k9ETfmLXNMSRdHggowbZZ81mLDPGA9g= Received: by 10.87.66.11 with SMTP id t11mr2760283fgk.18.1266106439045; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from energy.localnet (ip-80-226-1-7.vodafone-net.de [80.226.1.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2383569fxm.8.2010.02.13.16.13.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Ramifications of memtest86. 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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 01:13:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.31.12r4; KDE/4.4.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <20100212085453.GA1207@muc.de> <20100213174347.GA1783@muc.de> <4B773EE8.4010608@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B773EE8.4010608@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201002140113.55736.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: b8cbe98c-467a-406d-adf7-f904f4e17ab9 X-Archives-Hash: 0c85409c5f797a75ba40cc1e73fd4bdf On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > > Hi, Dale, > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:27:55PM -0600, Dale wrote: > >> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > >>> The shop who sold me the components suggested running memtest86 with > >>> just one RAM stick at a time. It turns out, one was duff, the other's > >>> just fine. (It went ~20 minutes on memtest86 without any errors.) So > >>> it looks like I'll be running on 2Gb only until I get a replacement > >>> for the broken one. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Many thanks to all who helped me track this one down! > >>> > >>>> Dale > >>>> > >>>> :-) :-) > >> > >> There you go. Most likely one little transistor that went belly up. > >> Considering there are millions of those little devils on there, no > >> surprise at all. > > > > Oh, don't be like that! You're saying, like, another "little" transistor > > will soon be going. ;-) > > That's not what I meant at all. Consider the odds. There are millions > of little circuits on those chips, even a 0.0001% failure rate can mean > the chip is bad. They either all work or the chip doesn't work. > > >> Glad you got it sorted out and that is better than a lot of other > >> options. Since it is new, I hope you have a good warranty that will > >> make it a cheap fix as well. > > > > I bought my PC components from a premium quality shop, the sort that > > behaves like a gentleman and honours its guarantees. Its email support > > gets back to you within an hour or so (in business hours). The > > proprietor said I needed to send back _both_ RAM sticks (since they have > > a joint serial number), but he's sending me a replacement pair first, so > > my machine remains working. > > > > For all that, the cost of this PC was less than half that of its > > predecessor, a 1.2 GHz Athlon machine from ~2001. With desktop PCs now > > being so ridiculously cheap anyhow, it seems false economy to buy from a > > lesser vendor. > > > >> Dale > >> > >> :-) :-) > > I bought mine from newegg and they stand behind theirs too. Things is, > the person you buy them from doesn't decide if it is a bad one or not. > It's just a luck of the draw. I doubt there are many companies that > want to sell something that is broken. It's not good for business. no, but some shops just say 'ok, that is bad luck, here is a new set, try these'. And some others let you wait or just don't believe you, demand the output of certain test apps etc pp. Some years ago a friend had a stick that would produce errors only in certain scenarios (it was a muster dependent error). Most checkers back then did not find it. Our favorite shop just exchanged it.... And that kind of service is a good reason to buy there.