From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NfqUC-0000YN-35 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:02:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 755F2E0BEE; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com (mail-ew0-f216.google.com [209.85.219.216]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A38BE0BEE for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2382596ewy.29 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:02:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=OVEWeJ9Z4eIhhlppEABrg05q7eXqj8Bkba6iGfGKbwk=; b=ZLGo+F25rUTZ6loR6pvs4wHKcm6AOLNAQj5j8E3b6wnYCZPjlgGmgBhK03wn464Ryp Sp5ZSsi5Oonsowsje4AjPdScD4ldMJgfOwUnP+rsFVX0HW5dbRRsq4dmA7DINyBJ8Fg4 3iykwTTdWtXDhilhVpKs2Cbx+POYMa7tVJNYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=iPvRv9/Ep0bm9Boh2OWeieBr4Hb9XGuK8xju9sDSPXqlqdLhxDv0clJCIKw5nxpTRw rjhSYQcvv8FxR8QdewvlpEUy7l2y4L0ZpwpmXm+UANWjgap/Ot7+JyJNBwrGAc/C/tOk 32dxHyG8fKrSSF9f6MmgSsJtOzUy9q+EUuClQ= Received: by 10.213.109.212 with SMTP id k20mr741296ebp.32.1265961742383; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-238-65.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.238.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2127339ewy.2.2010.02.12.00.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:00:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.32-zen6; KDE/4.4.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <20100208222047.GA6553@muc.de> <201002120003.27418.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <87zl3enbjy.fsf@newton.gmurray.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <87zl3enbjy.fsf@newton.gmurray.org.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201002121000.12775.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 7da5dd9a-d4dc-4ca3-a242-d3566e7a3541 X-Archives-Hash: e0f5efb23628ea747dda5013877c6e73 On Friday 12 February 2010 09:44:01 Graham Murray wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann writes: > > so how do you propose that a network connection manager tells a broweser > > or mail app that they are offline? > > Why does the app need to know? Browsers normally have an online/offline > menu selection and if you try to browse to a site when your network is > offline then the browser will generate the appropriate error message. In > any case, these notifications are only really of use on a single-homed > non LAN connected system. On an office LAN, you may well be able to > still access your mail server but a problem means that you cannot access > any web sites. A network connection manager tells apps when the machine's interface goes down, not when the gateway is no longer available. You have these two things conflated. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com