From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nfj4y-0000iJ-K0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:08:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC3E3E0B60 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E23CE0D0C for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so491984ewy.10 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=r1YrHiO8DKgSuDacQh/N7HgQNEKhQLNJQeI9bUP9qws=; b=oJaCZ5zNnIwbRPfHcPSQB+WxN6LTD1uMejBcVCLiEY9JFqfjjezaVT8xHBbYhxHyWB zMjg3HJhXIbDVt7L8wjH3bx3P5ovsq4qAXTsnswWi5Tz/6/wzjrlb4dEl9xDAjPYkA2J TcwXQdhevQWnJoeaBHwDqawHTecpGKyEN0SXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=rUt8tuWoqc3tUm3qtByroeqWlWtBRxiDIegS/eQdYaTxXfWphlHqHlzhhhCkysDbLX eYwQCbpzbqRe5LpOJPzsVAyg1EdGni2GWvfFR3n9aCF4NrviYc/XkF0ZC9yTgINismk8 jg4boD9esrnZaQpJ0rI0Bt3bsAhz5Tse5Hglw= Received: by 10.213.96.198 with SMTP id i6mr488290ebn.10.1265931218922; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-238-65.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.238.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1885849ewy.4.2010.02.11.15.33.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:31:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.32-zen6; KDE/4.4.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <20100208222047.GA6553@muc.de> <201002120003.27418.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201002120131.27115.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 79c9b744-01cd-4905-95cb-f3d1324af5e3 X-Archives-Hash: 2c8215e71617a529621d4af7abbf70f9 On Friday 12 February 2010 01:10:58 Zeerak Waseem wrote: > But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however > say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that > their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network > manager to tell them that they're offline. If there is any inter-app > communication going on, it's not anything I know enough about to give a > qualified guess about. So do this then: Build a desktop from old ebuilds and tarballs from a time when dbus was not prevalent. Make sure that the result is somewhat comparable to what you like to have now. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Then examine the code for all the major apps you have, find the IPC-type functionality they have and remove it. Rebuild everything. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Compare these two sets of numbers. Then run your new IPC-less machine. Let us know how that works out for you. At the very least you will gain an understanding of just how much IPC is going on even in minimal environments. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com