[gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hi, Gentoo,

The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The
Xfce Configuration Guide", I did

    # emerge -avt xfce4-meta

followed by

    $ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xinitrc

followed by

    $ startx.

The X-server complained about not finding startxfce4.  A quick find
command, "find / -name startxfce4" (and I do mean quick - it took only
half a second :-) demonstrated a complete absence of a file with that
name.

Help, please!  What do I need to do to get xfce running?

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
> Hi, Gentoo,
>
> The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The
> Xfce Configuration Guide", I did
>
>    # emerge -avt xfce4-meta
>
> followed by
>
>    $ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xinitrc
>
> followed by
>
>    $ startx.
>
> The X-server complained about not finding startxfce4.  A quick find
> command, "find / -name startxfce4" (and I do mean quick - it took only
> half a second :-) demonstrated a complete absence of a file with that
> name.
>
> Help, please!  What do I need to do to get xfce running?
>
> --
> Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
>
>
Humm....that worked for me:


firefly ~ # which startxfce4
/usr/bin/startxfce4
firefly ~ # equery belongs /usr/bin/startxfce4
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/startxfce4 in *... ]
xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 (/usr/bin/startxfce4)
firefly ~ #

mark@firefly ~ $ cat .xinitrc
exec startxfce4
mark@firefly ~ $

Do and emerge -pvDuN @world/revdep-rebuild -ip  and make sure you are
really clean. It should work but the info above should allow oyu to
get it running.

I didn't need to do anything special here.

Hope this helps,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Mark Knecht]

firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils
[ebuild   R   ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1
firefly ~ #


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> firefly ~ # which startxfce4
> /usr/bin/startxfce4
> firefly ~ # equery belongs /usr/bin/startxfce4
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/startxfce4 in *... ]
> xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 (/usr/bin/startxfce4)
> firefly ~ #
>
> mark@firefly ~ $ cat .xinitrc
> exec startxfce4
> mark@firefly ~ $
<SNIP>

Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta?

firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils
[ebuild   R   ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1
firefly ~ #

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[dhk]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
>> Hi, Gentoo,
>>
>> The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The
>> Xfce Configuration Guide", I did
>>
>>    # emerge -avt xfce4-meta
>>
>> followed by
>>
>>    $ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xinitrc
>>
>> followed by
>>
>>    $ startx.
>>
>> The X-server complained about not finding startxfce4.  A quick find
>> command, "find / -name startxfce4" (and I do mean quick - it took only
>> half a second :-) demonstrated a complete absence of a file with that
>> name.
>>
>> Help, please!  What do I need to do to get xfce running?
>>
>> --
>> Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
>>
>>
> Humm....that worked for me:
> 
> 
> firefly ~ # which startxfce4
> /usr/bin/startxfce4
> firefly ~ # equery belongs /usr/bin/startxfce4
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/startxfce4 in *... ]
> xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 (/usr/bin/startxfce4)
> firefly ~ #
> 
> mark@firefly ~ $ cat .xinitrc
> exec startxfce4
> mark@firefly ~ $
> 
> Do and emerge -pvDuN @world/revdep-rebuild -ip  and make sure you are
> really clean. It should work but the info above should allow oyu to
> get it running.
> 
> I didn't need to do anything special here.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark
> 
> 

Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it.

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Harry Putnam]

Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> writes:

> Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta?
>
> firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils
> [ebuild   R   ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1
> firefly ~ #

I'm just seconding fireflys' report.  I suspect xfce4 expects you to
be starting X from a system script under /etc/X11 somewhere instead of
startx.  So may consider that method a secondary thing and therefor
not install xfce-base/xfce-utils by default. (just a guess)

I use the startx method too and don't recall doing anything special to
get it to work.  

But maybe just installing or reinstalling xfce-base/xfce-utils will
take care of the problem.

Is xfce-base/xfce-utils already installed?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[dhk]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta?
>>
>> firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils
>> [ebuild   R   ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1
>> firefly ~ #
> 
> I'm just seconding fireflys' report.  I suspect xfce4 expects you to
> be starting X from a system script under /etc/X11 somewhere instead of
> startx.  So may consider that method a secondary thing and therefor
> not install xfce-base/xfce-utils by default. (just a guess)
> 
> I use the startx method too and don't recall doing anything special to
> get it to work.  
> 
> But maybe just installing or reinstalling xfce-base/xfce-utils will
> take care of the problem.
> 
> Is xfce-base/xfce-utils already installed?
> 
> 
> 

Again, do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it and
running startxfce4.

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Alan Mackenzie]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote:

> Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it.

No, as it happens, I didn't.  When I tried

    # emerge xfdesktop

, the compiler threw a segfault.  It does this reproducibly.  Bother!

I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard
athlon-64 setup.

Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the
athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow.

I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window
manager.  Maybe blackbox.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote:
>
>> Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it.
>
> No, as it happens, I didn't.  When I tried
>
>    # emerge xfdesktop
>
> , the compiler threw a segfault.  It does this reproducibly.  Bother!
>
> I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard
> athlon-64 setup.
>
> Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the
> athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow.
>
> I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window
> manager.  Maybe blackbox.

Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world
once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification
to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was
built. Just paranoid.

I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but
I've cut back. :-)

If you care to compare:

mark@firefly ~ $ cat /etc/make.conf
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -pipe"
#Safe CFlags for the Core-i7, saved for reference
#CFLAGS="-march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -msahf -O2 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
# Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before changing.
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
# These are the USE flags that were used in addition to what is provided by the
# profile used for building.
#USE="hal"
USE="aac alsa cairo caps cdda cddb cdparanoia cdr dts dvd dvdr ffmpeg
flac fltk ftp gnome hal ieee1394 jack kde lame java jpeg ladspa lame
lash libsamplerate mmx mp3 mp4 mpeg musepack nsplugin ogg sse sse2
ssse3 sse4 tifftruetype vorbis xine xv xvid vmware -bluetooth -esound
-timidity"
MAKEOPTS="-j5"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ "
SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y"
#INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse"
INPUT_DEVICES="evdev virtualbox"
VIDEO_CARDS="intel fbdev virtualbox vmware"
#VIDEO_CARDS="intel vesa fbdev"
ALSA_CARDS="hdsp usb"
LINGUAS="en"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="dlj-1.1 PUEL"
source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf
mark@firefly ~

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:39:14PM -0500, dhk wrote:
> >> Do you have xfce-base/xfdesktop installed?  Try installing it.
> > 
> > No, as it happens, I didn't.  When I tried
> > 
> >    # emerge xfdesktop
> > 
> > , the compiler threw a segfault.  It does this reproducibly.  Bother!
> > 
> > I don't have any fancy C\(XX\)?FLAGS set, and am using a standard
> > athlon-64 setup.
> > 
> > Presumably, rebuilding the compiler isn't going to help much, since the
> > athlon-64 stage-3 would have had the latest and greatest compiler anyhow.
> > 
> > I think, at this stage, I'll just try emerging a different window
> > manager.  Maybe blackbox.
> 
> Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world
> once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification
> to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was
> built. Just paranoid.

That's worthwhile, it goes real quick once gcc and glibc are built. Plus 
(until recently at least) the published stages always had an out of date gcc 
on them.

> I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but
> I've cut back. :-)

Twice is pointless :-)

gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same 
version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical. 
Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly 
what you hope to get from doing it twice.


> 
> If you care to compare:
> 
> mark@firefly ~ $ cat /etc/make.conf
> # Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
> # detailed example.
> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -pipe"
> #Safe CFlags for the Core-i7, saved for reference
> #CFLAGS="-march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -msahf -O2 -pipe"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> # WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done
> lightly. # Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml
> before changing. CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> # These are the USE flags that were used in addition to what is provided by
> the # profile used for building.
> #USE="hal"
> USE="aac alsa cairo caps cdda cddb cdparanoia cdr dts dvd dvdr ffmpeg
> flac fltk ftp gnome hal ieee1394 jack kde lame java jpeg ladspa lame
> lash libsamplerate mmx mp3 mp4 mpeg musepack nsplugin ogg sse sse2
> ssse3 sse4 tifftruetype vorbis xine xv xvid vmware -bluetooth -esound
> -timidity"
> MAKEOPTS="-j5"
> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ "
> SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y"
> #INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse"
> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev virtualbox"
> VIDEO_CARDS="intel fbdev virtualbox vmware"
> #VIDEO_CARDS="intel vesa fbdev"
> ALSA_CARDS="hdsp usb"
> LINGUAS="en"
> ACCEPT_LICENSE="dlj-1.1 PUEL"
> source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf
> mark@firefly ~

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:33:46 Mark Knecht wrote:
<SNIP>
>>
>> Is it just me? On a new install I always still to an emerge -e @world
>> once I get to a working text based boot and I've done any modification
>> to make.conf as I don't really know how the compiler or tool set was
>> built. Just paranoid.
>
> That's worthwhile, it goes real quick once gcc and glibc are built. Plus
> (until recently at least) the published stages always had an out of date gcc
> on them.
>
>> I used to do it twice before I started installing apps or desktops but
>> I've cut back. :-)
>
> Twice is pointless :-)
>
> gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the same
> version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise identical.
> Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world gives you exactly
> what you hope to get from doing it twice.
>
And it was you or Neil or someone else here who pointed that out maybe
1-2 years ago so I stopped doing it twice.

But, heck, why not? I do a lot of pointless things every day. I only
do new installs a few times a year... ;-)

Anyway, right after the system first comes up it's usually less than 1
hour to do a complete rebuild of that most basic system and I've had
very few _strange_ problems bringing up Gentoo since I started doing
it. (In 2000, so 10 years now...)

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 18:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote:
> > gcc rebuilds itself twice to ensure that the binary is built with the
> > same version as the result, and verifies that the last two are bit-wise
> > identical. Then building the toolchain, then building the rest of world
> > gives you exactly what you hope to get from doing it twice.
> 
> And it was you or Neil or someone else here who pointed that out maybe
> 1-2 years ago so I stopped doing it twice.
> 
> But, heck, why not? I do a lot of pointless things every day. I only
> do new installs a few times a year... ;-)

Now that you put it that way.... :-)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com