From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NfCTY-0005K4-NA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:19:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01627E09CE; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com (mail-ew0-f216.google.com [209.85.219.216]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A511AE09CE for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so253093ewy.29 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:18:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=CR4Lzc+kKO3VPcNd5L5ouZJZ6T57xLxhcYRVALIXDBs=; b=erm5YWTmxX/p36IusvZvmo+1NZPRJATaOXM6lYKX6dHKhv7gDtDCe35c/9oYKAaq+e uGlqYdtAVLimDi0vPktn7rE7cKDN34RhWdmQngGZc/G3kGje1yuwkwkFKjETU2QmxnwR /C5ngUfvqdr4O4RXfHav5/inlMVzM7dtJQanc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=xk77SNiUl1jw6XPc2+Sy05GBHXIVDOcP69qYbcO7TJ9k4DOjvPhMVsSSc4wfiNBg7J fycAk0VgCxsKSniMqXBTQ7kgJY8aM9NOIXTnCPwqeSN6U4K3YSVeRi2k2hZ7RxjirAyI 5ZVz24UzFtx8xzMzckE+JSQ1m4v+KEIfL9Kz8= Received: by 10.213.100.208 with SMTP id z16mr6302953ebn.80.1265807938071; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (dustpuppy.is.co.za [196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm822770ewy.14.2010.02.10.05.18.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:16:46 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.32-zen6; KDE/4.4.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <20100208222047.GA6553@muc.de> <20100209102732.188d2125@digimed.co.uk> <20100210125757.GB11270@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20100210125757.GB11270@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201002101516.46844.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 53441f31-ed25-4d4b-82bd-256e5fd4a168 X-Archives-Hash: 21cd8bb08c33cea6413fb4d1e52af812 On Wednesday 10 February 2010 14:57:57 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:27:32AM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote > > > but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate > > with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as > > it should. > > Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, > pray tell? Because pre-dbus your desktop apps used a mish-mash of all sorts of $STUFF that did the same thing in a spaghetti like manner. KDE had dcop but couldn't talk directly to gnome apps and vice-versa. post-dbus we have a coherent message bus system that is DE-agnostic and supported by freedesktop. Apps get migrated to use dbus instead of spaghetti and things work better. With KDE-3.5 you couldn't just dispense with dcop and expect stuff to work. Same with dbus currently. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com