From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZYBi-0007eN-O4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:17:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FA05E0B6B; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E7AE0B6B for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so4770530ewy.26 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:17:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=O04C6jrtkcjtc+imNbrRF93dMQKCIykQIScqn9ovvEM=; b=bc0H/UFLdZk/hVg5vlQl5Tj+B4G6SS1qcjVjtCA7pYnxAmolKBpadkn0zMHExpUZt7 vj6/Bq+nfSbUd3UHSJYYI1O4liac8ebjKOR/69V4emJ08B7BTElaAlWzHh7vVDMdriCI WNe8BU6pPpK1cLFhx79I8ybBHKjYhCULFCess= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=LrCm13londIzjgEBiT7yNJDguIU9eE/Qw2t2022LIvG8yRJBZSLhlbKLf4sV5Fd8dE otwcYe9gRphwENOyxlq3VtlT7KtuTlbx3EC1Kr7fgufOLBD9z1CETySGGZ9ii5K3nuBw gMGMxmKbCyg7DDs49fTyQt11UdOm5CVhEIIp0= Received: by 10.213.54.13 with SMTP id o13mr1245572ebg.68.1264461449575; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-202-237.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm4831203ewy.10.2010.01.25.15.17.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:15:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.32-zen4; KDE/4.3.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <201001252326.48465.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <201001252306.50516.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <201001252306.50516.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201001260115.43341.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 8dd321e6-4093-485b-8d63-91a41becd96a X-Archives-Hash: 80d880944239af6ade0a736ed93c9115 On Tuesday 26 January 2010 00:06:50 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Montag 25 Januar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > > Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :) > > > > > > It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets... I > > > found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for > > > maintainers of KDE packages of various distros. For example Arch Linux > > > had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but > > > no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources > > > because they are "secret". > > > > > > Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)? > > > > There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks. > > > > The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could > > have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a > > tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to > > distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries > > before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora. > > The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public > > does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to > > simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*. > > > > This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos > > thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I > > don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because > > sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows > > to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens. > > > > Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally > > available yet. > > no, the user erred in stupid unmasking. > Yes, very true. $PORTDIR/profiles/package.mask does usually clearly say stuff like masking next kde version in preparation for release on or words to that effect -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com