From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZWUi-0006LT-G6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:29:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D7A6E0C34; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15923E0C34 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so4659579ewy.26 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:28:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=NsWZs4oJGQ6oSM2by3sFFCde7K3AFwEsL2gsKQ09O48=; b=CQafyR4DhujqvC6Azx8jl3R3Wh1vFiAmQbc6JrP/yB5foFT8PPY9xzgmbGmhYZLwCf FtzOi7nGltU5CAblH1xaDnrI2+bZEYrT1Dqa1gH4Udyy0GBub7hYz2LjnvSLAFgPGhG3 /6kNDAxGmWrsm6BmsFom4iwiJUtf11ExT9hQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=HHGMOP7kq8wBrOeOhpUzQyHFLvXNF73CvfUld6KZKDISK7H6tbGohqrMYJYoXB+N23 MiaBX3wEO6m8iIggyZ1aAaV3K2qXSnSf6JXkdN78BRzicHb8yCaXBp9PoEov9Q/STXfy dfWRMbHcf2+XzlRZ+m/5HXyKnRgp9Pg3H58lo= Received: by 10.213.48.7 with SMTP id p7mr4771028ebf.79.1264454915144; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-202-237.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm4781222ewy.8.2010.01.25.13.28.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.95 tarballs? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:26:48 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.32-zen4; KDE/4.3.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <58965d8a1001250732i70942fe9t6e662537b837a565@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201001252326.48465.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 628a063c-477c-442c-ab81-e687efa5f497 X-Archives-Hash: fc911a93ea565251745f04c21e5551d8 On Monday 25 January 2010 23:11:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Today it is finally released. I don't know why it took so long. :) > > It's a bit sad though that an open source project keeps secrets... I > found out that the tarballs were available for days now but only for > maintainers of KDE packages of various distros. For example Arch Linux > had RC2 binaries available in its [kde-unstable] repo since Jan 21, but > no one would give a link to the tarballs used to build the sources > because they are "secret". > > Am I the only one to find this frustrating (to say the least)? There's nothing secret here. Nothing to see, move along folks. The code is always available in svn, if you wanted it that bad you could have checked it out. It's common release engineering practice to build a tarball from the repo and provide limited access to *those* files to distros and mirrors to give them time to sync and build their binaries before making them available to the public. I mirror Ubuntu and Fedora. The deal is that I get the rpms and debs two days before the public does. This is so that every official mirror on the planet is ready to simultaneously publish the release *all*at*the*same*time*. This is a very excellent way of working. You have no idea how much chaos thousands of eager beaver users cause pounding away at my inbox if I don't have the latest Ubuntu for them the day it is released because sharks bit the undersea cable to London and the inbound bandwidth slows to a crawl. I'm not making this up - stuff like this happens. Gentoo erred in publishing ebuilds for tarballs that were not generally available yet. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com