From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NHN7w-00063A-UJ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:50:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B980BE0799; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-relay1.uniserve.ca (smtp-relay1j.uniserve.ca [216.210.109.128]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F713E0799 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip-85.58.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net ([216.99.58.85] helo=ca.inter.net) by smtp-relay1.uniserve.ca with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHN72-0000JM-PB for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:49:46 -0800 Received: by ca.inter.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500 From: Philip Webb To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug Message-ID: <20091206194944.GA4785@ca.inter.net> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <200912051431.16711.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <20091205190950.GA4779@ca.inter.net> <200912060819.18214.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200912060819.18214.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Sender-Info: purslow@ca.inter.net X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 0.1 1 (/) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (0.1 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS X-Archives-Salt: 0fe88c25-7f8f-4e79-a3da-d9c071406471 X-Archives-Hash: e94955b97b284c4bfeebb905089dcae8 091206 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote: >> Please read what I said & hopefully think briefly before responding. >> If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge '; >> if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 '. >> That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch what you do). > Rather *always* use -1, > then you don't have to keep track in your head what is and isn't in world. I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed, where they are marked with 'W' & system pkgs with 'S'. Yes, I do have to keep it upto-date as I do emerges. One of the major deficiencies of Gentoo is that it doesn't provide such a file automatically. > You will likely finish your update session with -p --depclean anyway, I have never used 'depclean' for anything: reports suggest it's unreliable. I do regularly use 'equery d ' & remove pkgs which are not required. I always move the entry to the 'removed' list in my installed-pkg index, where I can check for recent removals, if there is a problem (rare). > Much easier than trying to keep world in your head > and avoids world pollution when you will inevitably get it wrong, > which requires you to examine all 128 entries in world & hand-edit it. As I've tried to make clear, I'm careful when I do my weekly update. Also, 'eix-sync' output & 'emerge -Dup' show world pkgs in bold type. > Some things humans are exceptionally bad at and computers are > exceptionally good at. Let portage do what portage does best. Portage has improved a lot, but it's still far from perfect. Machines are servants, humans remain their masters. As I've said twice already, I've been doing all this for 6 years & have never run into the problems which are regularly reported by others. -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca