From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2hF-0005uv-27 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:01:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF357E079E for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04868E06FC for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so100424ewy.10 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:14:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=1A57LJHWfOomcut9hG7xNsoYfCroVGVg+XUl0bH0ZG4=; b=CrZu3CwLOHJf1rkEDa6s7+wD4azlSgqk1eE9tYISoDR3xfmhNLUwfhXvgOnDtMb6Ek D9zhGY8di9ANwwTPhSvU/CLn1R2u65QJc363GCq6jnLJs+HGeCvu364v5gfNWxuL3aFw FTBhWaAvZnSa41XlTWRojub1EQN0qSuE9lLTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=VonOkLX4MidAIi87f1woRDanA9l4+53O+waK1sL8FVNw66BYqluXNpIBtErcLgvVSV mduPDYHaYZr8Ej/X8TiwPWJ87h0SaAgJdWbosV8tUJiUSWjh9pnwYQ3SYthouCwf2qWb sBUXL9HJdRP5TBCrjXtgs1Gmwm4ypMYFYRmyk= Received: by 10.216.86.139 with SMTP id w11mr1674370wee.10.1260044093230; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from energy.localnet (energy.heim10.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.197.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i35sm9666775gve.26.2009.12.05.12.14.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:14:52 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:14:48 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.32-zen0r4; KDE/4.3.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <200912051431.16711.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <20091205190950.GA4779@ca.inter.net> In-Reply-To: <20091205190950.GA4779@ca.inter.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200912052114.48286.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: d0792d6e-1d25-4f75-a802-944b3f1dfdc5 X-Archives-Hash: 12e13a4b26bd3aafa2b827e57b4dbb7c On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > 091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > >> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of > >> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs > >> which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of > >> emerging is recommended, then individually 'emerge -pv ' & -- if > >> all looks well -- 'emerge '. Yes, it takes a bit longer for my > >> weekly update session (tomorrow Sat), but I don't risk the nightmare of > >> reducing my system to chaos with all the extra frantic labor which would > >> result. > > > > which f*cks up world and is a very bad idea. > > Really, emerging every single package? > > 'world' is useless for you and cleaning unused deps a nightmare. > > Please read what I said & hopefully think briefly before responding. > If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge '; > if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 '. > That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch what you do). no, it isn't. you are adding deps to world file. Deps aren't there until you emerge them manually. Look up how world works. > Yes, I do have 'FEATURES="buildsyspkg"' in 'make.conf', of course, > but I've never needed to make use of those emergency files. buildsyspkg is not enough. > > My general point is that Gentoo is about managing your own system > rather than relying on someone out there to do it for you; there are smart ways to do so and there are stupid ways. > IMO binary distros are closer to using M$ or Apple than they are to Gentoo > & relying on 'emerge world' is closer to binary distros than to true > Gentoo. 'world' is a less important part of Gentoo than many users > believe wrong in all counts. Gentoo is about 'giving good tools to get the desired result'. You are not using the tools. Instead you are working against the tools and make your life and the work of the tools a lot harder. And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up. Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you want it and which one is just a dependency that can be removed by depclean. > : IIRC it was imitated from FreeBSD by Gentoo's founder in the > early days. My recommendation is to put a bit more time into regular > updates no, your advise is to do something stupid that results in a lot more work for no (!) reward. You gain nothing doing it your way. You just screw up your system. > & thereby reduce the chance that you'll need to fix a major breakdown; no. You don't reduce anything. In fact, your way increases the chances of an epic fuckup. I hope nobody is following your advise.