From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-104781-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1NGf8h-0006oK-Uo for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:52:32 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F1E4E085A; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8DCE085A for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so423680ewy.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=Cy6h1O+MXoO8Htuu1FOYnDmDC9UtwCq8c/X2LaLP02I=; b=ifcuokKI5l9fR5TU6KIZ9T11hkoX/0tZOd05m7FefbI4Co2u6/NH1/drcVpq849WFt g95QUdiq9Pw6/hOw4e5rMuGin6yiKlthoqgIH2y8GWQXgIVs1uZq+/SWxD7uTgEtAGy7 PvnKJTDw4wkwdKjBNwTTWb7dn3kMMVWm3Lkw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=FC/TN5R7vXd+ZJxefHSzh0CADbiLYyn9wI+dNm8QZCZfI7tZmrP4tQLuHskIPRVxoD /Jxgfm9lS8zcYw8YpTntb7AqBl3t13FW9wxm9jgo9HpVQD5KQEIX98HxVy+RAcAjO1io h9yBFKdOvEKQ+xkzOKQhOt3J7CzJy8RNU2neU= Received: by 10.216.91.73 with SMTP id g51mr1297351wef.68.1259959919393; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-140-29-rrdg-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.140.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm11401550eyf.2.2009.12.04.12.51.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:50:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.31-zen9; KDE/4.3.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20091203192003.GA1702@crowfix.com> <20091204003111.GA19515@crowfix.com> <200912041442.56592.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <200912041442.56592.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200912042250.52730.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 21d06f15-45f7-4534-a604-1986239b2088 X-Archives-Hash: b8812cfcf30f13da1603d9f965a5938f On Friday 04 December 2009 15:42:56 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 04 Dezember 2009, felix@crowfix.com wrote: > > If enough Europeans are in the habit of taking > > shortcuts and skipping umlauts and accents and cedilla and tildes, >=20 > we don't. Because skipping Umlaut, accent&co creates a completly new word. > Probably one that is already there. >=20 > Munster is a town >=20 > M=FCenster/Muenster is a town. >=20 > You can not drop it. Ever. Only the idiots at cnn and foxnews drop it. >=20 And there's always a contrary: In Afrikaans (major ZA language derived from Dutch) there are two accent=20 characters: =2D deelteken: two dots above certain vowel =2D kappie: carat-like symbol above certain vowels In all cases, these characters are used simply as modifiers of the vowel. T= hey=20 change inflection or the pronounciation of the vowel, not the letter itself= =2E=20 Sometimes they just make spelling easier: The verb modifier to indicate past tense is the prefix "ge" and the verb fo= r=20 eat is "eet". So "ate" translates to "geeet". Three consecutive "e"'s looks= =20 weird so this word is written "ge=EBet" =2D-=20 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com