[gentoo-user] Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[gentoo-user] Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After 
performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when 
scrolling in some pages.  Example:

   http://www.simplemachines.org

(Try to scroll up/down).

Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt 
xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't 
make any difference.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After
> performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when
> scrolling in some pages.  Example:
> 
>    http://www.simplemachines.org
> 
> (Try to scroll up/down).
> 
> Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt
> xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't
> make any difference.
> 

do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
because it seems to be fine here.

gtk is 2.18.3 and firefox 3.5.4 here.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 10/30/2009 09:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After
>> performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when
>> scrolling in some pages.  Example:
>>
>>     http://www.simplemachines.org
>>
>> (Try to scroll up/down).
>>
>> Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt
>> xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't
>> make any difference.
>>
>
> do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
> because it seems to be fine here.

http://www.kamenos.gr

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 10/30/2009 09:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After
>> performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when
>> scrolling in some pages.  Example:
>>
>>     http://www.simplemachines.org
>>
>> (Try to scroll up/down).
>>
>> Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt
>> xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't
>> make any difference.
>>
>
> do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
> because it seems to be fine here.

I forgot to mention that the problem is only really apparent with 
"smooth scrolling" enabled (Preferences->Advanced->Use smooth 
scrolling).  It was a bit slow before the update too, but nothing 
serious, but now it's *extremely* slow.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> >
> > do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
> > because it seems to be fine here.
> 
> http://www.kamenos.gr
> 

scrolls without any lag. Instant response. No lag at all. 
Even with effects turned on there is no lag.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 10/30/2009 09:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After
> >> performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when
> >> scrolling in some pages.  Example:
> >>
> >>     http://www.simplemachines.org
> >>
> >> (Try to scroll up/down).
> >>
> >> Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt
> >> xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't
> >> make any difference.
> >
> > do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
> > because it seems to be fine here.
> 
> I forgot to mention that the problem is only really apparent with
> "smooth scrolling" enabled (Preferences->Advanced->Use smooth
> scrolling).  It was a bit slow before the update too, but nothing
> serious, but now it's *extremely* slow.
> 

'sanften Bildlauf aktivieren'? Turned it on, restarted firefox. There is a 
short jerk when scrolling the page for the first time but after that everything 
is quick.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 10/30/2009 09:39 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>>>
>>> do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
>>> because it seems to be fine here.
>>
>> http://www.kamenos.gr
>>
>
> scrolls without any lag. Instant response. No lag at all.
> Even with effects turned on there is no lag.

Then I wonder what's wrong here.  It's so slow, that if I scroll the 
mouse wheel up/down quickly a few times, Firefox is still scrolling for 
several seconds after I stopped using the wheel, trying to catch up. 
Starting with a clean profile didn't help either.

I've updated to Firefox 3.6 Beta (mozilla overlay) and this version 
restores the speed again.  I guess I'll stay with this beta since 
(fortunately) the add-ons I use work with it.

So I guess problem "solved." :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 30 October 2009 21:16:56 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> There was an update to Gtk+ today (from 2.16.6 to 2.18.3).  After
> performing the update, Firefox (3.5.4) is slow as molasses when
> scrolling in some pages.  Example:
> 
>    http://www.simplemachines.org
> 
> (Try to scroll up/down).
> 
> Anyone else noticing this or is it just me?  I'm on AMD64.  I've rebuilt
> xulrunner and Firefox after the Gtk+ update just in case, but it didn't
> make any difference.
> 

Nope, no problem here.

Same versions as you, on ~amd64 with nvidia proprietary drivers and 
xorg-server-1.7.1

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 10/30/2009 10:06 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 10/30/2009 09:39 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the problem?
>>>> because it seems to be fine here.
>>>
>>> http://www.kamenos.gr
>>>
>>
>> scrolls without any lag. Instant response. No lag at all.
>> Even with effects turned on there is no lag.
>
> Then I wonder what's wrong here. It's so slow, that if I scroll the
> mouse wheel up/down quickly a few times, Firefox is still scrolling for
> several seconds after I stopped using the wheel, trying to catch up.
> Starting with a clean profile didn't help either.
>
> I've updated to Firefox 3.6 Beta (mozilla overlay) and this version
> restores the speed again. I guess I'll stay with this beta since
> (fortunately) the add-ons I use work with it.
>
> So I guess problem "solved." :P

Gah, the Flash plugin is very buggy with 3.6 (rendering corruption).  I 
reverted to 3.5.4 and downgraded to Gtk+ 2.16.6 and gtkmm 2.16.0 instead.

Any pointers at to what might be wrong are still welcome.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[7v5w7go9ub0o]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 10/30/2009 10:06 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 10/30/2009 09:39 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Freitag 30 Oktober 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> do you have a bigger page with more scrolling showing the 
>>>>> problem? because it seems to be fine here.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.kamenos.gr
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> scrolls without any lag. Instant response. No lag at all. Even 
>>> with effects turned on there is no lag.
>> 
>> Then I wonder what's wrong here. It's so slow, that if I scroll the
>>  mouse wheel up/down quickly a few times, Firefox is still 
>> scrolling for several seconds after I stopped using the wheel, 
>> trying to catch up. Starting with a clean profile didn't help 
>> either.
>> 
>> I've updated to Firefox 3.6 Beta (mozilla overlay) and this version
>>  restores the speed again. I guess I'll stay with this beta since 
>> (fortunately) the add-ons I use work with it.
>> 
>> So I guess problem "solved." :P
> 
> Gah, the Flash plugin is very buggy with 3.6 (rendering corruption).
>  I reverted to 3.5.4 and downgraded to Gtk+ 2.16.6 and gtkmm 2.16.0 
> instead.
> 
> Any pointers at to what might be wrong are still welcome.
> 

Shot in the dark here.

NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having
problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on
/dev/nvidia0  nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on
my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw-
resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?).

HTH

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/04/2009 04:55 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> [...]
>> Gah, the Flash plugin is very buggy with 3.6 (rendering corruption).
>>   I reverted to 3.5.4 and downgraded to Gtk+ 2.16.6 and gtkmm 2.16.0
>> instead.
>>
>> Any pointers at to what might be wrong are still welcome.
>>
>
> Shot in the dark here.
>
> NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having
> problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on
> /dev/nvidia0  nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on
> my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw-
> resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?).

Thanks, but that's not it.  I'm on ATI and /dev/ati/card0 has the right 
permissions.  And it works just fine with older Gtk+, just not with newer.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 02:55:55 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:

> NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having
> problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on
> /dev/nvidia0  nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on
> my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw-
> resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?).

I don't have that device on either of my systems using a GeForce 7300 GS. Nor 
can I find an nvidiactl.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

[gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[7v5w7go9ub0o]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 November 2009 02:55:55 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> 
>> NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having
>> problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on
>> /dev/nvidia0  nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on
>> my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw-
>> resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?).
> 
> I don't have that device on either of my systems using a GeForce 7300 GS. Nor 
> can I find an nvidiactl.
> 

That device appears when you use the NV proprietary driver.

There are basically three options with an NV card:

- use the generic built-in driver
additionally,
- use the additional, open-source NV drivers.
or
- alternatively use the proprietary NV driver.

This may be useful: <http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Nvidia>

FWIW, the NV drivers are blocked in portage for my hardened AMD64, so I
get the drivers here:
<http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html>

HTH

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gtk+ update results in slow Firefox

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 05 November 2009 22:11:49 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday 04 November 2009 02:55:55 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> >> NVidia updated their drivers at about the time you started having
> >> problems. Their latest driver update changed the permissions on
> >> /dev/nvidia0  nvidiactl ; resulting in VERY slow scrolling response on
> >> my box (amd64) using googleearth. Changing the permissions to crwxrw-rw-
> >> resulted in instant speed up; you may get by with r--r-- (?).
> >
> > I don't have that device on either of my systems using a GeForce 7300 GS.
> > Nor can I find an nvidiactl.
>
> That device appears when you use the NV proprietary driver.

I should have said that I'm using x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-190.42-r2, which 
I thought was the proprietary driver.

-- 
Rgds
Peter