[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Philip Webb]

Thanks for the advice so far.  Here are some more obstacles encountered.

Kworldview : no longer an independent app (as in 3.5.10),
but seems to have been incorporated into Marble (no problem with that).
I have a file '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-kworldclock.desktop',
which belongs to Marble, but I can't find a way to use it in Marble.

Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10
& also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 .

Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?
-- eg I really don't like the wider toolbars in 4.3.1
& would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions.
The version for 3.5.10 doesn't work on the Fluxbox desktop:
it opens but lacks the list of options on the left side.
Would I have more success with 4.3.1 (there are  8  dependencies) ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> 
> Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10
> & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 .

it is a bug. If you search for it you'll find it. cc yourself to be informed if 
something happens.

> 
> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?

no. You need systemsettings. kcontrol is just a couple of kcm*.so. You need 
systemsettings if you want to change anything the easy way. 

There is always the hard one - edit config files....

> & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions.

you can change it to do that ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Philip Webb]

090924 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
>> Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10
>> & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 .
> it is a bug.  If you search for it you'll find it.

I plan to add to the Konsole bug re 'geometry' & look up other bugs,
when I've finished basic exploration & testing.

>> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?
> no.  kcontrol is just a couple of kcm*.so.
> You need systemsettings if you want to change anything the easy way. 
> There is always the hard one - edit config files....

Actually, that's what I might look into: Kcontrol is its dependency.

>> & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions.
> you can change it to do that ;)

So how (smile) ? -- ie without running the KDE 4 desktop.

Thanks for your clear & helpful advice.

PS does anyone have advice re the 3rd issue, Kworldclock vs Marble ?

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 09/25/2009 12:34 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
>>> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?
>> no.  kcontrol is just a couple of kcm*.so.
>> You need systemsettings if you want to change anything the easy way.
>> There is always the hard one - edit config files....
>
> Actually, that's what I might look into: Kcontrol is its dependency.
>
>>> &  would like to have smaller icons&  no accompanying descriptions.
>> you can change it to do that ;)
>
> So how (smile) ? -- ie without running the KDE 4 desktop.

It's best to install the full KDE 4 desktop to avoid any such headaches 
and other misbehavior.  You should be able to select KDE3 or KDE4 at the 
KDM login screen.  You should not be able to fully configure KDE 4 from 
within KDE 3 and vice versa.

Switching fully to KDE 4 is pretty much the only sane solution; using 
KDE 3 apps from within KDE 4 is going to be better than the opposite, 
simply because the KDE 3 apps you need ought to be much fewer compared 
to KDE 4 apps.

If you find that KDE 4 doesn't really suit you, it might be best to 
switch to another desktop environment. :P

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Sebastian Beßler]

Philip Webb schrieb:

> The version for 3.5.10 doesn't work on the Fluxbox desktop:
> it opens but lacks the list of options on the left side.

The version for 3.5.10 can configure only kde3 apps. If you have no kde
3.5 to configure on your system kcontrol has nothing to show in the left
panel.

> Would I have more success with 4.3.1 (there are  8  dependencies)?

I would say so, but i can't say for sure, because I don't use Fluxbox.
KDE 4-Apps can only be configured with systemsettings (or by editing the
config files by hand).

Greetings

Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> 090924 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10
> >> & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 .
> >
> > it is a bug.  If you search for it you'll find it.
> 
> I plan to add to the Konsole bug re 'geometry' & look up other bugs,
> when I've finished basic exploration & testing.
> 
> >> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?
> >
> > no.  kcontrol is just a couple of kcm*.so.
> > You need systemsettings if you want to change anything the easy way.
> > There is always the hard one - edit config files....
> 
> Actually, that's what I might look into: Kcontrol is its dependency.
> 
> >> & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions.
> >
> > you can change it to do that ;)
> 
> So how (smile) ? -- ie without running the KDE 4 desktop.
> 

either in systemsettings or in the config files ;) Everything is in .kde(or 
.kde4 or .kde4.3)/share/config

in systemsettings symbol size is in... ehm... Look (? Erscheinungsbild in 
german.... ), Symbols, advanced (or how it is called in english). There you 
can change Symbol sizes for toolbars. Text under icons can be deactivated 
under 'Style' 'Details'.

or you open the config file for every app ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Philip Webb]

090925 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> If you find that KDE 4 doesn't really suit you,
> it might be best to switch to another desktop environment.

As I've mentioned several times in earlier msg/threads,
I started using Fluxbox as desktop manager 0904xx (previously KDE 3).
I don't like the KDE 4 desktop & prefer not to install apps I don't use.

Anyway, thanks to all for the clarification re 'Systemsettings':
I may try installing it + dependencies & see whether it helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Philip Webb]

090924 Philip Webb wrote:
> Thanks to all for the clarification re 'Systemsettings':
> I may try installing it + dependencies & see whether it helps.

Yes, it's installed & works & doesn't seem to do any damage.
Moreover, it does allow modification of the toolbar eg in Okular,
which is a definite improvement (icon size 22).

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> Thanks for the advice so far.  Here are some more obstacles encountered.
> 
> Kworldview : no longer an independent app (as in 3.5.10),
> but seems to have been incorporated into Marble (no problem with that).
> I have a file '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-kworldclock.desktop',
> which belongs to Marble, but I can't find a way to use it in Marble.
> 
> Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10
> & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 .
> 
> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ?
> -- eg I really don't like the wider toolbars in 4.3.1
> & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions.

btw - try right click on the toolbars ;)